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TopicHey guys, I'm a New Atheist and I've just disproved God.
meisnewbie
10/20/11 10:06:00 PM
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Premise: Science gives us new toys, shiny cars, and bombs.
Conclusion: The scientific account of the world is the true account.

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Conclusion: If your philosophy and religion are true why hasn't anything been done with them?

As is science. But I agree with all this.

......How long has science existed? How is it anywhere near an effective meme as religion?

Actually, let me go ahead and take this a step further: the odds of religion being true empirically are exactly 0%, unless you redefine "religion" in some radical way. But no true Christian would disagree anyway; religion leans upon a faculty above reason.

No it's not, because if, for example, I had access to my own source code, had some way of verifying, to arbitrarily high amounts of certainty that what I'm seeing was true AND THEN miracles occurred in front of my eyes that contradicted everything I knew so far, and everyone else in the world, with similarly high certainties on what they've seen told me so too then yes, yes I would convert!

You do not have 0% probabilities. Ever. Because the chance of your entire life being a lie is a definite non-0% probability.

There's no evidence for or against religion empirically, because it's not an empirical claim. Now, you'll probably argue that only empirical claims are worth something, which is itself an unsubstantiated value judgment.

And where did you learn that empirical claims are not worth something? Did you NOT see, NOT hear, NOT feel, NOT smell, NOT use any of your sensory organs to arrive at this argument?

Do you think your eyes and ears were invented to DISTRACT you from the truth of a bloodthirsty predator running toward you?

Extha: I don't mind Jaffar calling science the new religion. After all, we're the religion with the most miracles, the most people reliant upon our holy books to get by from day to day and the only religion where fanatics from other religions have to invoke in order to get anything done at all. I bet Bin laden didn't get anything done just by praying and looking at scripture after all.

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