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shockthemonkey posted...

You keep putting the onus on oppressed people to cater to the feelings of the majority rather than accepting that the best way for everything to move forward is to accept trans women as women which includes allowing them into womens spaces.

If someone does not want to see another person naked then the onus is on them to avoid areas where others will be naked. By entering into an area where there will be naked women, a person is consenting to seeing the genitals attached to women, regardless of whether that person is trans or cis.

I just feel that if you want to be accepted into a society then you have to play by the majority rule until such a time the rules change. You can fight it where you can and should.

You're continuously missing the part where someone expected only vulvas and were okay with that and consented to it. They did not knowingly consent to seeing penis, in their expectations. Which led to the transphobic ladies freakout.

Which is why I said until society at large accepts that there may be penis in the ladies area, that this will be an issue. I can be okay all I want, it doesn't change the fact that society will balk at it and nefarious anti-trans forces will use situations like this as reasons and opportunities to restrict the rights of trans peoples.

If you can't consider what your enemy will do with your actions then you'll be murdered in your sleep yesterday.

shockthemonkey posted...

Its explicitly clear that women belong in womens spaces. if youre looking for something to explicitly say that trans women also belong, youre separating trans women from the broad category of women. If you view trans women as women then you dont need an explicit warning that trans women are in womens spaces.

Unfortunately we as a society are not at a point where we are widely ready to accept transwomen in women's spaces. If you want society to get to that point you'd do best to start with signs acknowledging the possibility, to put the idea in societies mind and then eventually get rid of the signs once it is widely accepted that it is a thing and will happen.

If you don't want to do the hard work of integrating into the society you want to be a part of and just want to buck and rant and rave about how persecuted you are then don't be surprised when decades have past and society just views trans people as a nuisance instead of what they should be viewed as, as people