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Topic	Study: plant based diet helps lower high blood pressure
Xenozoa425 06/20/21 4:36:03 PM #26:	indica posted... I appreciate your take. Although, and maybe I'm misunderstanding you, I have to say that it isn't true that all plants are complete sources of protein on their own, like animal meat is. Only a few plants have all the essential amino acids needed to create a complete protein source, but if you mix a few together than it's really not that difficult as you said. I just know a lot of people who start out being vegan and lack the knowledge (or desire) to eat those things that provide a complete protein source on a daily basis.They may be ingesting more protein than necessary, as you mention, but they aren't getting the necessary amino acids from those proteins. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/complete-protein-for-vegans#_noHeaderPrefixedContent That is incorrect, the concept of protein combining for essential amino acids is a myth that was dismissed decades ago. All proteins are originally made by plants, and to a lesser extent the microbes in the soil. Every day the average adult body recycles 90g of endogenous protein from the lining of our digestive system, as well as saliva, digestive enzymes, plasma and even gut microbes. Our bodies do all of the amino acid combining for us. Only about 20-30% of that 90g gets lost when it enters the colon and is excreted in feces, which translates to 18g-27g of protein. That's less than half of what the U.S. FDA recommends that we get everyday, which is 56g of protein. And every food (with the sole exception of gelatin lacking tryptophan) has a complete amino acid profile with all 8 essential amino acids, though they vary in composition. Since the body has a daily free recycling storage pool of amino acids, it will automatically reconfigure the amino acids we get from our diet to fit our unique physiological needs as individuals. Doesn't matter if you eat 1000 kcal of steak, broccoli, cheese, walnuts, apples or spinach, they all contain a pool of amino acids our bodies can reconfigure. The AHA (American Heart Association) also made a change after years of perpetuating the protein combining myth because of data that proved otherwise, and they then made a statement saying that all plant proteins are complete and there is no need to combine them. Therefore, as long as you are getting more protein than you are losing, it is virtually impossible to have a dietary protein deficiency. The fear of not getting enough protein is totally bogus. The deficiencies and symptoms you see will be caused by most commonly fiber or B12 deficiency, which exists in a large portion of the population, even lifelong omnivores, and that is why so many foods are fortified with B vitamins, along with another common B vitamin called folic acid, which is meant to prevent neural tube defects in infants during and after pregnancy. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000018905.97677.1F https://doi.org/10.1017/S0007114512002474 --- "Let food be thy medicine." -Hippocrates <cite>Xenozoa425 posted [p:955244450] in Study: pla... [t:79519336]...</cite> <quote>indica posted... </cite> <quote>I appreciate your take. Although, and maybe I'm misunderstanding you, I have to say that it isn't true that all plants are complete sources of protein on their own, like animal meat is. Only a few plants have all the essential amino acids needed to create a complete protein source, but if you mix a few together than it's really not that difficult as you said. I just know a lot of people who start out being vegan and lack the knowledge (or desire) to eat those things that provide a complete protein source on a daily basis.They may be ingesting more protein than necessary, as you mention, but they aren't getting the necessary amino acids from those proteins. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/complete-protein-for-vegans#_noHeaderPrefixedContent</quote>That is incorrect, the concept of protein combining for essential amino acids is a myth that was dismissed decades ago. All proteins are originally made by plants, and to a lesser extent the microbes in the soil. Every day the average adult body recycles 90g of endogenous protein from the lining of our digestive system, as well as saliva, digestive enzymes, plasma and even gut microbes. Our bodies do all of the amino acid combining for us. Only about 20-30% of that 90g gets lost when it enters the colon and is excreted in feces, which translates to 18g-27g of protein. That's less than half of what the U.S. FDA recommends that we get everyday, which is 56g of protein. And every food (with the sole exception of gelatin lacking tryptophan) has a complete amino acid profile with all 8 essential amino acids, though they vary in composition. Since the body has a daily free recycling storage pool of amino acids, it will automatically reconfigure the amino acids we get from our diet to fit our unique physiological needs as individuals. Doesn't matter if you eat 1000 kcal of steak, broccoli, cheese, walnuts, apples or spinach, they all contain a pool of amino acids our bodies can reconfigure. The AHA (American Heart Association) also made a change after years of perpetuating the protein combining myth because of data that proved otherwise, and they then made a statement saying that all plant proteins are complete and there is no need to combine them. Therefore, as long as you are getting more protein than you are losing, it is virtually impossible to have a dietary protein deficiency. The fear of not getting enough protein is totally bogus. The deficiencies and symptoms you see will be caused by most commonly fiber or B12 deficiency, which exists in a large portion of the population, even lifelong omnivores, and that is why so many foods are fortified with B vitamins, along with another common B vitamin called folic acid, which is meant to prevent neural tube defects in infants during and after pregnancy. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000018905.97677.1F https://doi.org/10.1017/S0007114512002474 --- "Let food be thy medicine." -Hippocrates</quote> ... 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