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Topic	What are your thoughts on the Metal Gear Solid series?
Lightning Strikes 05/18/21 6:35:03 AM #82:	Its a good series that hasnt aged incredibly well, and I suspect that the reason for a perceived decline to some is down to why you are drawn to the series. The thing is, MGS does not have a very good story and never really has. This is not to say that it is without merit, Ill get to that. Back in the day MGS was really the only option for console games that werent RPGs that told serious stories and it did so in a then revolutionary cinematic style. In high-budget games today this is commonplace. You also have smaller games and games that were previously not on console telling great stories more readily available than ever before. I dont think its a coincidence that the last MGS game with an uncontroversially great story released as long ago as 2004, before Phoenix Wright and Telltale brought back Adventure games, before Naughty Dog popularised the cinematic AAA approach, before Braid and the indie boom, before Bioshock and the rise of sims with socially focused stories, etc. There has been a major change in the quality of story-driven games widely available. This made MGS less relevant overall. I dont want to be too harsh because MGS really popularised the idea of using games to tell politicsl stories. Thanks for teaching my 9 year old self about nuclear disarmament then! It also makes the existence of a right wing no politics in games group that plays MGS, thinking of one particular user on B8 here, hilarious as this series is antithetical to everything they believe. Especially from Peace Walker on when the message becomes explicitly socialist. Where the series, and Kojima, really shines is gameplay innovation. So many details and so much variety of play. This is even seen in Death Stranding which has one of the worst stories Ive ever seen in a story-driven AAA game, but has some very interesting gameplay. This is what makes MGSV great despite its flaws, it has a level of interaction with an open world passed by only Breath of the Wild and Red Dead Redemption 2, and those are the very top pf the genre. It did not quite get there and is a structural mess, but it is owed a lot because it may have enabled those two games. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:954029690] in What are y... [t:79464202]...</cite> <quote>Its a good series that hasnt aged incredibly well, and I suspect that the reason for a perceived decline to some is down to why you are drawn to the series. The thing is, MGS does not have a very good story and never really has. This is not to say that it is without merit, Ill get to that. Back in the day MGS was really the only option for console games that werent RPGs that told serious stories and it did so in a then revolutionary cinematic style. In high-budget games today this is commonplace. You also have smaller games and games that were previously not on console telling great stories more readily available than ever before. I dont think its a coincidence that the last MGS game with an uncontroversially great story released as long ago as 2004, before Phoenix Wright and Telltale brought back Adventure games, before Naughty Dog popularised the cinematic AAA approach, before Braid and the indie boom, before Bioshock and the rise of sims with socially focused stories, etc. There has been a major change in the quality of story-driven games widely available. This made MGS less relevant overall. I dont want to be too harsh because MGS really popularised the idea of using games to tell politicsl stories. Thanks for teaching my 9 year old self about nuclear disarmament then! It also makes the existence of a right wing no politics in games group that plays MGS, thinking of one particular user on B8 here, hilarious as this series is antithetical to everything they believe. Especially from Peace Walker on when the message becomes explicitly socialist. Where the series, and Kojima, really shines is gameplay innovation. So many details and so much variety of play. This is even seen in Death Stranding which has one of the worst stories Ive ever seen in a story-driven AAA game, but has some very interesting gameplay. This is what makes MGSV great despite its flaws, it has a level of interaction with an open world passed by only Breath of the Wild and Red Dead Redemption 2, and those are the very top pf the genre. It did not quite get there and is a structural mess, but it is owed a lot because it may have enabled those two games. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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