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Topic"Same sex relationships are forbidden in the Bible!"
Humble_Novice
04/05/21 4:11:13 AM
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MrMallard posted...
Armando is right in one sense, that a lot of churches have split off from God. Christianity has become so scattershot and split over the years that you can't take any one reading as the definitive word of God. Whether we're talking about bias or not, there have been so many different translations of the Bible that change things up and word things in different ways, to the point that you have a "Satanic Bible" that's literally just a rushed piece of dogshit with typos all over the place. Nothing about it is satanic - it was just translated and transliterated by a bunch of morons who didn't give a fuck about quality control.

Another user brought up that the translation being used by users like Armando tends to err on the side of conservatism, where there are other translations that are truer to the text or a lot more open about the scripture. Which illustrates the point that you have branching schools of thought and religious expression within the bounds of Christianity, and they don't necessarily get along.

Someone else made a comment about how we should stop insisting that bigotry is inherent to the Christian faith. Unfortunately, there's a religious zeitgeist that does promote bigotry within the Christian faith. In western nations, you have organisations like Hillsong and the like, these fundie megachurches that preach a message of deserved affluence - that by the act of having more money, you are inherently deserving of that wealth and more worthy of a Christian than a Christian who is poor and struggling. In America specifically, you have the Bible Belt where Christian teachings are married with hardcore conservative rhetoric - with one of the most extreme organisations having been the Westboro Public Church, who picketed the funerals of soldiers and outwardly preached homophobia and intolerance. Bigotry isn't inherent to Christianity, but there are Christian sects where it is promoted and practiced as the word of God. The same way we should discuss the differences between Shi'a and Sunni Muslims in relation to Islam, we should acknowledge the different sects and schools of thoughts within the Christian faith, and acknowledge the bad apples of the bunch.

Considering how much of a hatchet job the Bible truly is - most of its books were written centuries apart and are apocryphal at best, and different books have been added and removed from the Bible by the church for thousands of years - I'm surprised that more academic Christians haven't thought to research the Torah. It's an Abrahamic text that has remained unchanged or minimally changed for the entirety of its existence, with fables and supposedly historical accounts of events concerning the Jewish people being added as they happened. It's written in one of the oldest languages on Earth. I imagine there are parts of the Bible that have been taken from the Torah and anglicized/condensed, and over the centuries those aspects of the text have been chopped up and re-translated so many times that they aren't an accurate portrayal of the original text - so as supposed scholars of the Bible, it would make sense to take the Torah into account.

Because if we're talking about the Christian word of God, you're pulling from multiple interpretations translated and interpreted through human hands, with each interpretation leaving its own biased fingerprint on the text. The more you fuck with a text that's supposedly the word of God, you're inserting more human bias into it, and with that bias comes an evil that's inherent to human bias - wilfully or not. So long story short, it really shouldn't matter whether you believe that the Bible advocates against gay people, because it's a hatchet job of unrelated narratives written centuries apart, translated through so many time periods and interpretations that the words that exist today might as well be meaningless, and filtered through so many unrelated schools of Christian thought that there's no way to get one single, definitive "word of God" from the Bible.

As a spiritual agnostic and a philosophical satanist, I think that's a more interesting line of commentary than a shitty troll job from a known shit-stirrer.
Well-said, though I doubt that's going to stop the conservatrolls from trying to perpetuate the fundamentalist narrative of gays being evil and deserving of harm.
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