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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 368: Stimulating the American People
Inviso 03/10/21 2:48:53 PM #247:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... dude what are you TALKING about? Your order of operations is completely fucked up. So let me get this straight, if were mad the Democrats promise us progressive stuff we like and then dont do it, the solution is to SIMULTANEOUSLY vote for those same Democrats and also magically create viable progressive candidates who would compete against those same Democrats we have to vote for? Thank you so much for ignoring my previous post directed specifically at you about what progressives can do to win elections. This post was so much more imperative for you to easily respond to, since it allows the conversation to direct onus on the Democratic Party, rather than any sort of introspective self-reflection, as usual. And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The Democrats promise progressive stuff to get you onboard and then don't follow through. The Republicans, meanwhile, demonize that exact same progressive stuff as a means to drive their voters out against the Democrats. Given those two options, yes, you need to continuously vote for the Democrats because at least they'll pay lip service that MIGHT eventually translate into getting what you want EVENTUALLY. It would certainly HELP your cause if, rather than constantly running the same playbook for progressive candidates that lose to moderates in primaries (or lose to Republicans on the rare occasion when progressive candidates win the primaries), there was some re-evaluation of progressive strategy to more consistently win primaries and win elections. That sort of thing would lead to more progressive voices in congress and the Senate, bolstering the idea that the American people actually WANT progressive policies and making it easier for Democrats in congress to fulfill progressive campaign promises without fear of immediate backlash from the voters. Bonus points if enough seats are gained that the Democrats can afford to make some bold moves without immediately losing any power two years later when the GOP inevitably make gains. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:951564420] in Politics C... [t:79336356]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>dude what are you TALKING about? Your order of operations is completely fucked up. So let me get this straight, if were mad the Democrats promise us progressive stuff we like and then dont do it, the solution is to SIMULTANEOUSLY vote for those same Democrats and also magically create viable progressive candidates who would compete against those same Democrats we have to vote for?</quote> Thank you so much for ignoring my previous post directed specifically at you about what progressives can do to win elections. This post was so much more imperative for you to easily respond to, since it allows the conversation to direct onus on the Democratic Party, rather than any sort of introspective self-reflection, as usual. And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The Democrats promise progressive stuff to get you onboard and then don't follow through. The Republicans, meanwhile, demonize that exact same progressive stuff as a means to drive their voters out against the Democrats. Given those two options, yes, you need to continuously vote for the Democrats because at least they'll pay lip service that MIGHT eventually translate into getting what you want EVENTUALLY. It would certainly HELP your cause if, rather than constantly running the same playbook for progressive candidates that lose to moderates in primaries (or lose to Republicans on the rare occasion when progressive candidates win the primaries), there was some re-evaluation of progressive strategy to more consistently win primaries and win elections. That sort of thing would lead to more progressive voices in congress and the Senate, bolstering the idea that the American people actually WANT progressive policies and making it easier for Democrats in congress to fulfill progressive campaign promises without fear of immediate backlash from the voters. Bonus points if enough seats are gained that the Democrats can afford to make some bold moves without immediately losing any power two years later when the GOP inevitably make gains. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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