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| UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 6:42:45 PM #57: | Robot2600 posted... You can say "ooo my god but what about their bodies" all you want, and that doesn't change the fact that there is zero evidence for anyone becoming trans to have an edge in sports.wut? There's tons of evidence. It's overwhelming Hell the mere existence of female leagues because women cant compete against men is evidence in of itself. But no amount of hormone therapy can undo your larger bone density, size, muscle mass or pain receptor amount https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. Why do you think not 1 female athlete can make it in the NFL , MLB, NBA etc? For a more concrete numerical example, look at weightlifter Mary Gregory who instantly broke 9 biological female world records in one night with ease and her records were revoked after she revealed she was transgender. As a male, Mary posted the following numbers pre HRT on her Instagram account Squat - 408 Bench - 298 Deadlift 507 Total 1213 Bodyweight - 217 9 months after starting HRT. These numbers were what she got at the meet in question Squat - 314 Bench - 233 Deadlift 424 Total 971 Bodyweight - 179.3 Now that's about a 20% drop in all her lifts after going on HRT, and about a 20% drop in bodyweight. That's to be expected as the body adapts to the new hormone levels. In powerlifting, we use the Wilks coefficient to determine the best lifter across all weight classes. It takes your total, and modifies it based on a mathematical formula to allow you to compare yourself against everyone else. Men and women use different formulas as their physiology is different.Mary's Wilks score using the male data was 337. After 9 months of HRT, when Mary competed in the female division her score jumped up to 399. That's a 62 point jump (a 20% increase) in her abilities compared to her peers in less than a year. So in nine months, on HRT which reduces testosterone, muscle mass etc, Mary had gains the likes of which are only seen in brand new lifters who are still learning how to powerlift. When I compared Mary's results to the database in Open Powerlifting, a website dedicated to recording statistics for all powerlifting federations around the world, here's what I got.In the 40-44 age group, Mary's male ranking was at the 38th percentile. So better than average, but still middle of the pack. Using her numbers as a female, she moved into the 6th percentile. So top 10% in all of women's drug tested powerlifting in that age group. If all things were equal in the HRT process, we should have seen Mary's results put her in the 38th percentile of female lifters, but that clearly did not happen.Once again, I have to stress that neither I, or my federation wants to ban lifters like Mary from competing. In fact one of our core beliefs is that if you can lift a barbell, and you aren't taking PED's, then you have a place with us. But it's very clear based on the numbers provided that Mary received a performance boost from transitioning from a male to a female lifter compared to her peer group. That's not at all fair to the rest of the lifters in that division. tl;dr. She had a massive advantage due to biology She went from a barely above average male weight lifter to a record breaking female one and one of the best in the world I'm with you 100% on laws, businesses, employment, insurance etc. Anyone against rights is a monster But the NFL ,NBA MLB etc aren't segregated. Women can play in then within the rules. Its just that the absolute worst bottom NFL player Is still superior to the absolute best female football player Only womens sports are segregated and they have to be segregated to exist. putting women with biologically male bodies gives them a gigantic unfair advantage over biological women. Its segregated due to biological sex, not gender. And if you think this is an anti trans attack, answer why no one cares if a transgender man completes in the unsegregated "male" leagues? pinky0926 posted... "Mens" sports are not segregated "Doing away with mens/womens sports" just means "Doing away with womens sports." women can play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just can't play in them. The Williams sisters would be spanked by any pro-male tennis player on Earth. That's not an insult. It's just biology. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob ... Copied to Clipboard! |
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