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ssjevot 02/24/21 8:50:47 PM #58:	Rimmer_Dall posted... The purpose of systems like RTK is to bring people to parity with learners who knew Chinese before starting to learn Japanese. I am aware of the propaganda it uses to sell books. It isn't true though. Chinese people know the meaning of about 50-60% of Japanese words from the start because they are the same. Another 20% have meanings similar to what they would expect. The hurdle for Chinese learners is pronunciation and grammar. RTK doesn't teach you what kanji mean, how to read them (okay a second book tries this but not even fans of RTK recommend it), words, or grammar. You leave it with the ability to write a kanji in response to an English keyword which may or may not be related to that actual meaning of a given word that uses that kanji. Rimmer_Dall posted... I went through half of KKLC before starting to seriously study vocabulary, and the difference in the level of difficulty in learning words where I knew the kanji from KKLC and words where I hadn't seen the kanji before was night and day during the first several months. KKLC is specifically not RTK, and I recommend it since it actually teaches you kanji. Rimmer_Dall posted... These days people use streamlined versions of RTK like RRTK (recognition RTK) where they only learn the 500-1000 most commonly used kanji instead of all kanji on the jouyou list, and just learn to recognize them instead of learning how to write them, so people get through that part of the learning process very quickly. It does save time in the long run. I agree writing is largely useless, but you still didn't really learn anything there and you need to know around 3000 kanji to be reasonably capable of reading things. That isn't going to cut it. KKLC goes beyond to cover some of the most used ones that aren't on the list, but it still isn't enough. Thankfully you can learn most of the remaining ones by the one or two words that use them. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:951039451] in ITT: Japan... [t:79293002]...</cite> <quote>Rimmer_Dall posted... </cite> <quote>The purpose of systems like RTK is to bring people to parity with learners who knew Chinese before starting to learn Japanese.</quote> I am aware of the propaganda it uses to sell books. It isn't true though. Chinese people know the meaning of about 50-60% of Japanese words from the start because they are the same. Another 20% have meanings similar to what they would expect. The hurdle for Chinese learners is pronunciation and grammar. RTK doesn't teach you what kanji mean, how to read them (okay a second book tries this but not even fans of RTK recommend it), words, or grammar. You leave it with the ability to write a kanji in response to an English keyword which may or may not be related to that actual meaning of a given word that uses that kanji. Rimmer_Dall posted... </cite> <quote>I went through half of KKLC before starting to seriously study vocabulary, and the difference in the level of difficulty in learning words where I knew the kanji from KKLC and words where I hadn't seen the kanji before was night and day during the first several months.</quote> KKLC is specifically not RTK, and I recommend it since it actually teaches you kanji. Rimmer_Dall posted... </cite> <quote>These days people use streamlined versions of RTK like RRTK (recognition RTK) where they only learn the 500-1000 most commonly used kanji instead of all kanji on the jouyou list, and just learn to recognize them instead of learning how to write them, so people get through that part of the learning process very quickly. It does save time in the long run.</quote> I agree writing is largely useless, but you still didn't really learn anything there and you need to know around 3000 kanji to be reasonably capable of reading things. That isn't going to cut it. KKLC goes beyond to cover some of the most used ones that aren't on the list, but it still isn't enough. Thankfully you can learn most of the remaining ones by the one or two words that use them. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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