LogFAQs > #950738975

LurkerFAQs, Active DB, DB1, DB2, DB3, DB4, DB5, DB6, Database 7 ( 07.18.2020-02.18.2021 ), DB8, DB9, DB10, DB11, DB12, Clear

Topic List	Page List: 1
Topic	Board 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE TWO!)
Inviso 02/17/21 12:51:33 PM #394:	Really, a lot of the problems stem back to wasting the Civil War plotline on this movie. Look at the MCU timeline. In terms of heroes, here's who we have on-deck, going into Civil War: Iron-Man The Incredible Hulk (off-planet after AoU) War Machine Black Widow Thor (off-planet after AoU) Captain America Hawkeye Falcon Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy (off-planet) Wanda Maximoff Vision Ant-Man War Machine is a background character to Iron Man. Likewise, Falcon is a background character to Captain America. Hawkeye has always been a background character among the more prominent heroes. Wanda and Vision were introduced as part of an already-bloated Age of Ultron, which didn't allow for them to get much characterization. Ant-Man has no real connection to the Avengers prior to this movie (aside from fighting Falcon in one scene of Ant-Man). Essentially, you're calling your movie "Civil War", and the only relevant characters involved in the titular Civil War are Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow (who could be considered on the same level as Hawkeye, but she's a bit more prominent), and Bucky himself. There's such a limited pool to draw from that they had to introduce Black Panther (his involvement being the result of the film's inciting incident...which was completely unnecessary given that the events of AoU MORE than justify the Sokovian Accords...you know...what with the name and all) and Spider-Man (who literally comes out of NOWHERE and the movie doesn't even bother to tie into the plot in any meaningful way). So, you have a limited pool of heroes to actually fight in your "Civil War", weakening one of the biggest reasons for pitching such a plotline (the airport scene is the ONE standout moment of the film, but can you imagine if you had that scene on the scale of Endgame's final battle, with massive armies of heroes?) Surely, the plot itself is interesting, right? Not so much. Tony feels guilty about his involvement in a lot of problems and worries that regulation is needed. Steve wants unfettered freedom. And ultimately, the war doesn't even come down to that, but rather fighting over whether Bucky is a murderer or not. It's really, really dumb, and it's a complete waste of the concept of having two groups of superheroes ideologically opposed to one another to the point of war. You could easily have had the Bucky story from Civil War, where Cap believes in his friend, and he goes rogue (recruiting some lesser heroes to his cause, like Wanda, Falcon, Widow) to justify the division among the team when Cap's rebellion is labeled an enemy group. You still have that division for Infinity War, but you haven't burned the Civil War concept on something so minor and pointless. It'd be a perfect Phase 5 Avengers film, when the roster is more fleshed out and everything. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:950738975] in Board 8 Ra... [t:79288169]...</cite> <quote>Really, a lot of the problems stem back to wasting the Civil War plotline on this movie. Look at the MCU timeline. In terms of heroes, here's who we have on-deck, going into Civil War: Iron-Man The Incredible Hulk (off-planet after AoU) War Machine Black Widow Thor (off-planet after AoU) Captain America Hawkeye Falcon Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy (off-planet) Wanda Maximoff Vision Ant-Man War Machine is a background character to Iron Man. Likewise, Falcon is a background character to Captain America. Hawkeye has always been a background character among the more prominent heroes. Wanda and Vision were introduced as part of an already-bloated Age of Ultron, which didn't allow for them to get much characterization. Ant-Man has no real connection to the Avengers prior to this movie (aside from fighting Falcon in one scene of Ant-Man). Essentially, you're calling your movie "Civil War", and the only relevant characters involved in the titular Civil War are Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow (who could be considered on the same level as Hawkeye, but she's a bit more prominent), and Bucky himself. There's such a limited pool to draw from that they had to introduce Black Panther (his involvement being the result of the film's inciting incident...which was completely unnecessary given that the events of AoU MORE than justify the Sokovian Accords...you know...what with the name and all) and Spider-Man (who literally comes out of NOWHERE and the movie doesn't even bother to tie into the plot in any meaningful way). So, you have a limited pool of heroes to actually fight in your "Civil War", weakening one of the biggest reasons for pitching such a plotline (the airport scene is the ONE standout moment of the film, but can you imagine if you had that scene on the scale of Endgame's final battle, with massive armies of heroes?) Surely, the plot itself is interesting, right? Not so much. Tony feels guilty about his involvement in a lot of problems and worries that regulation is needed. Steve wants unfettered freedom. And ultimately, the war doesn't even come down to that, but rather fighting over whether Bucky is a murderer or not. It's really, really dumb, and it's a complete waste of the concept of having two groups of superheroes ideologically opposed to one another to the point of war. You could easily have had the Bucky story from Civil War, where Cap believes in his friend, and he goes rogue (recruiting some lesser heroes to his cause, like Wanda, Falcon, Widow) to justify the division among the team when Cap's rebellion is labeled an enemy group. You still have that division for Infinity War, but you haven't burned the Civil War concept on something so minor and pointless. It'd be a perfect Phase 5 Avengers film, when the roster is more fleshed out and everything. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1