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Proto_Spark posted...

But it isn't just the militia is taking them down, but its stuff like the researcher is stupid enough to let the monkey out so it can bite him and destroy the entire lab. It wasn't an accident, it was negligence. The fact that the doctors are immediately jumping to vivisecting Ellie instead of running more tests to try to save what they consider the one thing that matters in the world in a non-lethal way.

Theres also nothing to say that they actually have any research into a vaccine. Just that with Ellie they maybe could. There's nothing concrete that there's even hope for a vaccine, just that the fireflies may have deluded themselves into this last hope, and Ellie may have bought into it so everything that's happened can be for something. Neither of these say that a vaccine is actually possible.

I disagree with this.

On a story level the "WHY THEY RUSH ELLIE INTO VACCINE!?" question is because time is of the essence. They need the vaccine ASAP and any time wasted is time where they could be attacked by Zombies, raiders, militias. They could lose control of the facilitity , the surgeons could die.

They are confident they have the vaccine and there's nothing in the story to suggest they don't. "A scientist got bit by a zombie" doesn't demonstrate that the vaccine doesn't exist, it's just more fuel to the fire of how determined such a resource limited group is.

From a meta level. If the Fireflies are just village idiots with no idea what they are doing and there is no vaccine, the story and character arc of Joel falls apart. Why does he lie to Ellie? Why the finale dramatic at all? And not just another outpost of morons like the bandits. Why is it dramatic to brutally execute surgeons and Marlene if they are country bumpkins who don't know what they are doing?

It's like going "Well the Death Star would have exploded anyway even if it wasn't attacked."

I don't think that's true on a story level, nothing demonstrates it and even if it is true, on a meta level that's just stupid and ruins the plot.

Proto_Spark posted...

The plot of the game seems to suggest that the future of the world isn't with a vaccine like the Fireflies are so desperate to get, but settlements like Tommy's dam community and that one in the sewers you go through. Because the apocalypse has effectively happened already. outside of very specific circumstances, the zombies aren't the biggest threat anymore, contrasting with the difficulties of actually rebuilding against other people.

Not really?

Tommy's settlement is already under attack by bandits, more and more of the country is impossible to travel and the Zombie are getting worse.

As supplies get worse, bandits get more desperate, ALL zombies become the hyper dangerous fat ones. Communities like Tommy's are doomed.

I thought the point of TLOU1 wasn't the zombies are getting worse,

The zombies are getting worse. The Superzombies you meet are storywise just people who have been Zombies for longer. The longer you are a zombie, the tougher you become. If Isolationist communtiies like Tommy are all that's left with no growth, within decades there will be super zombies everywhere and no room to grow.

Because 90% of the zombie encounters in TLOU1 are more like "wait, hold up, lets take this slow" because zombies aren't that big of a threat. they are a threat, but they are also basic and something you can handle. The bigger problem is other people.

Again, not really? You need a gasmask just to survive the spores and travel is crazy dangerous. Zombies are everywhere, what few paths are Zombie safe arefull of bandits.

Resources are extremely limited and getting worse. Outposts are struggling.

Sure people infighting and being evil and selfish like Joel are "The bigger problem" in a story sense, the reason why people are acting like that is because of Zombies, which is getting worse.

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