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Topic	Trans people have been allowed in the Olympics since 2003
pinky0926 02/08/21 9:59:58 AM #97:	Proto_Spark posted... Thats fair. The problems with the study itself are more in line with "she's ignoring a lot of the previous research into the topic" and basically comes down to she started at the conclusion and worked backwards. So in this situation the entire study is organized with malicious intent. If you look at the reddit post there are links to papers about cherry picking data or using inaccurate data, or just poor methodology in order to justify the conclusion she started at. The TERF is just an explanation for why this study is so flawed. True. I'm having a look at these papers in the comments. Am I correct with this one that it suggests that bone mass and density is preserved in the first 1-2 years of transitioning? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25377496/ Anyway, my takeaway here is that if transitioning after X amount of times removes any perceived "male" performance advantage, then there's no argument anymore to be had. That amount of time (X) would be the marker that should be where MTF athletes compete in the female category, in my view. I just don't think self-ID alone works for sport. I don't think there's any risk of MTF athletes dominating womens sport. Nor do I think there even will be many. Nor do I think that people are transitioning for the purpose of winning medals, that one is the most ridiculous of the lot. But I do think it's very reasonable to consider that at the top level of sport elite athletes (you know, those guys who cheat all the damn time) could easily abuse a well-meaning policy if its not carefully constructed. If elite athletes will risk their health and their credibility to take performance enhancing drugs to win medals, I don't think it's unfeasible that they would abuse a system like this to do so. I.e. a cis athlete could use a loose policy guideline to win in a category they have a better chance in. And I also think if sports have a welfare concern (like rugby seems to), they need to be very, very sure. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950411600] in Trans peop... [t:79283525]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted... </cite> <quote>Thats fair. The problems with the study itself are more in line with "she's ignoring a lot of the previous research into the topic" and basically comes down to she started at the conclusion and worked backwards. So in this situation the entire study is organized with malicious intent. If you look at the reddit post there are links to papers about cherry picking data or using inaccurate data, or just poor methodology in order to justify the conclusion she started at. The TERF is just an explanation for why this study is so flawed.</quote> True. I'm having a look at these papers in the comments. Am I correct with this one that it suggests that bone mass and density is preserved in the first 1-2 years of transitioning? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25377496/ Anyway, my takeaway here is that if transitioning after X amount of times removes any perceived "male" performance advantage, then there's no argument anymore to be had. That amount of time (X) would be the marker that should be where MTF athletes compete in the female category, in my view. I just don't think self-ID alone works for sport. I don't think there's any risk of MTF athletes dominating womens sport. Nor do I think there even will be many. Nor do I think that people are transitioning for the purpose of winning medals, that one is the most ridiculous of the lot. But I do think it's very reasonable to consider that at the top level of sport elite athletes (you know, those guys who cheat all the damn time) could easily abuse a well-meaning policy if its not carefully constructed. If elite athletes will risk their health and their credibility to take performance enhancing drugs to win medals, I don't think it's unfeasible that they would abuse a system like this to do so. I.e. a cis athlete could use a loose policy guideline to win in a category they have a better chance in. And I also think if sports have a welfare concern (like rugby seems to), they need to be very, very sure. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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