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Topic	Angry Joe drops his list of the top 10 worst games of 2020.
UnfairRepresent 02/07/21 6:45:57 PM #105:	hockeybub89 posted... No, I'm actually saying the facts don't care about my feelings or yours. Opinions aren't facts. Deadly Premonition is an objectively bad video game that I like. Civilization IV is an objectively good game that I do not like. No those are opinions There are objective qualities and subjective qualities. Hyperliterally there aren't. On some level I think I can agree in that there are some things so absurd I think no one would subjectively hold them IE: A game with a 2 minute loading screen is better than the same game with a 3 second loading screen. But on those aspects, TLOU2 is terrible. Long loading times and forced walking sections Whether or not gameplay, story, characters, art design, sound design, use of color, control scheme etc is "Good or bad" is not objective, that's purely subjective. Otherwise, you're saying the only difference between The Room and a Kubrick film is popular opinion. No quite the opposite. That's what you're saying. You're saying The Shining and by extention PewDiePie and Donald Trump and McDonalds are objectively great things because they are popular and a lot of people like them. And The Room is objectively bad because it's unpopular and a lot of people dislike it. I'm saying there is no objective truth, only subjective perspectives. You can like or dislike something. Someone else will have a different experience. Pizza doesn't objectively taste good because you like it and a lot of people agree with you. You gotta be more open midned man. Things aren't objective just because you agree with them. That's the height of arrogance, boarderline religious fanaticism --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950389663] in Angry Joe ... [t:79282459]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>No, I'm actually saying the facts don't care about my feelings or yours.</quote> Opinions aren't facts. <quote> Deadly Premonition is an objectively bad video game that I like. Civilization IV is an objectively good game that I do not like.</quote> No those are opinions <quote> There are objective qualities and subjective qualities.</quote> Hyperliterally there aren't. On some level I think I can agree in that there are some things so absurd I think no one would subjectively hold them IE: A game with a 2 minute loading screen is better than the same game with a 3 second loading screen. But on those aspects, TLOU2 is terrible. Long loading times and forced walking sections Whether or not gameplay, story, characters, art design, sound design, use of color, control scheme etc is "Good or bad" is not objective, that's purely subjective. <quote> Otherwise, you're saying the only difference between The Room and a Kubrick film is popular opinion.</quote> No quite the opposite. That's what you're saying. You're saying The Shining and by extention PewDiePie and Donald Trump and McDonalds are objectively great things because they are popular and a lot of people like them. And The Room is objectively bad because it's unpopular and a lot of people dislike it. I'm saying there is no objective truth, only subjective perspectives. You can like or dislike something. Someone else will have a different experience. Pizza doesn't objectively taste good because you like it and a lot of people agree with you. You gotta be more open midned man. Things aren't objective just because you agree with them. That's the height of arrogance, boarderline religious fanaticism --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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