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TopicBoard 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE 1)
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02/06/21 1:30:40 PM
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Mr Crispy
The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show of the MCU. Now, I think this movie definitely gets a lot of unwarrented hate from nasty people. But it's definitely the MCU movie that feels the most designed by committee, focus group tested, etc..

I don't think the idea of skipping over whatever doofus was originally Captain Marvel in the comics for Carol was a bad idea on paper. MCU versions of characters don't necessarily need to be the same as the comics, and the MCU made people who know nothing about comics like and become invested with Marvel characters they knew nothing about (...basically every Marvel character except Spiderman? and maybe the Hulk?). Carol isn't really one of them.

Marvel Studios leeched the popularity off of Infinity War with the Infinity War teaser and putting Captain Marvel in the schedule between Infinity War and Endgame, but she was pretty much wasted in Endgame. Marvel tried to imitate the success and popularity of Guardians of the Galaxy, by trying to make the same thing but with 90s nostalgia and music. Also bringing back Ronan, only for him to get completely clowned as soon as he showed up and immediately sulked away with his tail between his legs because Carol was more powerful and unique than even an Infinity Stone (well, that's paraphrasing a bit). Fury thinks highly of her, and credits her as what inspired him to come up with the whole Avengers Initiative. The scene where Carol is trying to choose the colors of her suit seems a bit like premature celebration on the part of Marvel. "Remember these characters that you like in movies that we made that you like? Captain Marvel is the next one you'll love!"

I don't actually hate Carol, or the movie. It's just a bit facinating how blatant it is, and maybe a bit sad. I don't pretend to be an expert on comics, but they definitely seem to struggle when trying to produce comics that actually appeal to female readers particularly compared to anime/manga (as a significant amount of anime/manga series directly aimed at/made by girls/women get made, instead of targeting them indirectly while trying to check off as many differnt demographics as possible)

Well, getting back to Captain Marvel for a final summary. The movie is just average overall. It lacks a good opponent on about the same level for Carol to actually fight against. The space police are doofuses, Ronan is a laughing stock as already mentioned. Though that's a problem with a lot of Marvel movies. The story of how Fury lost his eye is amusing, and how he lies about how he lost it. I actually like how they tried to humanize the Skrulls and make them more sympathetic, with families and who just want to live quietly and - particularly since the original concept is clearly intended to promote paranoid right wing fearmongering about COMMUNISTS!!!! ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!! etc. are secretly hiding everywhere in America trying to destroy the American way of life exclamation mark. Retconning the story into the timeline in the first place is a bit of a bad idea. Carol has to get written out to explain why she's not around when Earth gets attacked, but her defending Earth is also used to explain why aliens didn't attack sooner despite knowing that the Tesseract was there. Even though she wasn't there.

ZenOfThunder
It's fine but it made me fall asleep. Brie Larson is kind of a shit actress, I don't know why everyone was so crazy about Room. Monica Rambeau should just be Captain Marvel going forward.

BetrayedTangy
I really wish I liked this one more, because theres some good stuff in here, I just cant get past its flaws. A lot of people have pointed to Larsons performance as the chief issue; I dont think this her fault though, I blame the writing/directing. I liked the plot they were going for, but they failed to remember the most basic rule of storytelling. Show dont tell. They had some really good setup with her toxic relationship with Yon-Rogg, but instead relied far too heavily on the corny flashbacks once she got to Earth. Which leads to my next issue, Carol wasnt the only character ruined by bad writing. Fury and the Skrulls got dunked on pretty bad too, I dont want to really get into it, because I think theyre going to fix a lot of my issues in the Disney+ series, except for how he lost his eye. Theres no redeeming that. Also fun fact, in this movie Fury says he cant eat toast if its cut in half, but in Age of Ultron hes seen doing just that, hinting at Far From Homes post credit scene. Easily one of my favorite easter eggs.

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