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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 343: Guilty Spark
HeroDelTiempo17 11/11/20 4:36:46 PM #228:	Leafeon13N posted... The parties are not equal. Right so...you admit that the Democratic Party is weak or incompetent or both and should do better? xp1337 posted... "If you're explaining, you're losing" is a simple but sadly accurate rule of politics. Unfortunately it's a lot harder to try and distill what are often complex, nuanced policy positions into bite-sized slogans. But they have to explain anyways when they're forced to come out against it and it's just as confusing. Thats the lose-lose. Kinglicious posted... Definitely missed that yeah. But of course politicians won't publicly run on it when it's unpopular. People will look to their supporters though and see that as the true message because unless you explicitly, repeatedly say otherwise, and have the media on your side to showcase that, then that's what people will think. Happened to Trump, happened to Bernie. Three points here I guess 1) I doubt the actual policy is as unpopular as the slogan but I dont want to rehash the argument 2) Successful politicians shouldn't just follow public opinion, but shape it 3) Democrats (and Republicans) don't always run on the most popular policy regardless and it's worth calling attention to that. Obvious example - weed would be legal if they did. Kinglicious posted... The issue here I'd attribute is more to the activists who genuinely do mean that and some will go a step further and outright say abolish. Including in this topic series. Finally, I'd say this is a result of defund already being the compromise to abolish. The language and strategy has already been toned down once and now activists refuse to budge. I think that's fair. This is like how people argue over the specifics of public option vs single payer healthcare or what specific climate plan they prefer except with less infighting. For once, the left does not eat itself over minor disagreements, because they all agree cops are the enemy, and liberals find it scary and confusing. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:947045058] in Politics C... [t:79100701]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>The parties are not equal.</quote> Right so...you admit that the Democratic Party is weak or incompetent or both and should do better? xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>"If you're explaining, you're losing" is a simple but sadly accurate rule of politics. Unfortunately it's a lot harder to try and distill what are often complex, nuanced policy positions into bite-sized slogans.</quote> But they have to explain anyways when they're forced to come out against it and it's just as confusing. Thats the lose-lose. Kinglicious posted... </cite> <quote>Definitely missed that yeah. But of course politicians won't publicly run on it when it's unpopular. People will look to their supporters though and see that as the true message because unless you explicitly, repeatedly say otherwise, and have the media on your side to showcase that, then that's what people will think. Happened to Trump, happened to Bernie.</quote> Three points here I guess 1) I doubt the actual policy is as unpopular as the slogan but I dont want to rehash the argument 2) Successful politicians shouldn't just follow public opinion, but shape it 3) Democrats (and Republicans) don't always run on the most popular policy regardless and it's worth calling attention to that. Obvious example - weed would be legal if they did. Kinglicious posted... </cite> <quote>The issue here I'd attribute is more to the activists who genuinely do mean that and some will go a step further and outright say abolish. Including in this topic series.</quote> Finally, I'd say this is a result of defund already being the compromise to abolish. The language and strategy has already been toned down once and now activists refuse to budge. I think that's fair. This is like how people argue over the specifics of public option vs single payer healthcare or what specific climate plan they prefer except with less infighting. For once, the left does not eat itself over minor disagreements, because they all agree cops are the enemy, and liberals find it scary and confusing. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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