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Topic	Why are leftist so radical about abortion rights?
LinkPizza 09/19/20 11:31:38 PM #110:	Wanded posted... according to this logic there is also no issue with killing 1 year old babies who are also unaware of what they are missing, say mom and dad got fired, things get rough, they don't want the baby anymore, this situation fits all of your "it's okay to kill" checklist except it being alive but- Except the baby is alive already. Born and everything. And they're a baby, unlike a fetus... Wanded posted... a fetus is also alive, it moves and breathes etc also pro lifers consider the unborn as people with human rights since they are human and are alive Except they can t live without a host of some kind. I should have said alive. I should have used the word born instead. Wanded posted... being grown or not is irrelevant to whether it's okay to kill you or not, i don't think being under a certain age takes away your human rights. Sure. But being grown takes being born. And a fetus won't be born if it's aborted... Wanded posted... homeless people are a real problem in places like LA, there are plenty of people who moved away claiming they were the reason because you go outside with your kid to school and there is a homeless guy doing a number 2 in front of your house and used needles in the streets So let's keep having abortions and fix the homeless problem first instead of forcing women to have a bunch of unwanted babies (and possibly die in the process), and possibly making the homeless problem worse. Wanded posted... wait, so you're saying we can help a 50 year old homeless guy, who has debts, who has severe mental illness, but not a baby which is pretty much a clean slate? i don't think that is the case...guy is old while the baby still has his working years ahead of him hence he'll easier earn money and be productive for society, guy has debt hence needing more money than the baby who can also repay eventually after working and severe mental illness is really really hard to cure and costs a ton in theraphy Guy is old, but with the right help, could get back on track and eventually take care of himself. Getting cleaned up and a job can do wonders for him. And set him up in a place. Just somewhere cheap. Which is most likely way better than outside on the streets. As for the baby, I never said anything about helping the baby. I said that having the baby helps no one. Which is doesn't. It's hurts more than helps. Also, the baby won't be productive for probably another 15+ years, where the 50 year old man could be productive much sooner, if helped. Who knows if the kid will even make it that far, or want to be productive (or have to) by then. And who says the kid won't be worse in the mental illness department? That could be why they want to have the abortion in the first place. Wanded posted... read what i said, i specifically talk about when shelter and food are accounted for, which is most cases so lets focus on those first the rest of what you said doesn't really counter my main point which is we don't really know whether that child will be happy or not so you can't automatically decide it'll be sad to justify killing it, you can't kill someone on an "if" or a "maybe" And you only getting rid of a fetus, and not a person. Why bring a child in the world to immediately throw them into an adoption agency where it could easily have a bad life. And take the spot of another child that could have been adopted? Instead, just abort the fetus and let's try working on shrinking the overcrowded adoption agency first. Again, it doesn't matter if the fetus could have been born and had a good or bad life. It doesn't matter if you just don't let it be born... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:944840284] in Why are le... [t:78986545]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>according to this logic there is also no issue with killing 1 year old babies who are also unaware of what they are missing, say mom and dad got fired, things get rough, they don't want the baby anymore, this situation fits all of your "it's okay to kill" checklist except it being alive but-</quote> Except the baby is alive already. Born and everything. And they're a baby, unlike a fetus... Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>a fetus is also alive, it moves and breathes etc also pro lifers consider the unborn as people with human rights since they are human and are alive</quote> Except they can t live without a host of some kind. I should have said alive. I should have used the word born instead. Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>being grown or not is irrelevant to whether it's okay to kill you or not, i don't think being under a certain age takes away your human rights.</quote> Sure. But being grown takes being born. And a fetus won't be born if it's aborted... Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>homeless people are a real problem in places like LA, there are plenty of people who moved away claiming they were the reason because you go outside with your kid to school and there is a homeless guy doing a number 2 in front of your house and used needles in the streets</quote> So let's keep having abortions and fix the homeless problem first instead of forcing women to have a bunch of unwanted babies (and possibly die in the process), and possibly making the homeless problem worse. Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>wait, so you're saying we can help a 50 year old homeless guy, who has debts, who has severe mental illness, but not a baby which is pretty much a clean slate? i don't think that is the case...guy is old while the baby still has his working years ahead of him hence he'll easier earn money and be productive for society, guy has debt hence needing more money than the baby who can also repay eventually after working and severe mental illness is really really hard to cure and costs a ton in theraphy</quote> Guy is old, but with the right help, could get back on track and eventually take care of himself. Getting cleaned up and a job can do wonders for him. And set him up in a place. Just somewhere cheap. Which is most likely way better than outside on the streets. As for the baby, I never said anything about helping the baby. I said that having the baby helps no one. Which is doesn't. It's hurts more than helps. Also, the baby won't be productive for probably another 15+ years, where the 50 year old man could be productive much sooner, if helped. Who knows if the kid will even make it that far, or want to be productive (or have to) by then. And who says the kid won't be worse in the mental illness department? That could be why they want to have the abortion in the first place. Wanded posted...</cite> <quote>read what i said, i specifically talk about when shelter and food are accounted for, which is most cases so lets focus on those first the rest of what you said doesn't really counter my main point which is we don't really know whether that child will be happy or not so you can't automatically decide it'll be sad to justify killing it, you can't kill someone on an "if" or a "maybe"</quote> And you only getting rid of a fetus, and not a person. Why bring a child in the world to immediately throw them into an adoption agency where it could easily have a bad life. And take the spot of another child that could have been adopted? Instead, just abort the fetus and let's try working on shrinking the overcrowded adoption agency first. Again, it doesn't matter if the fetus could have been born and had a good or bad life. It doesn't matter if you just don't let it be born... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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