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TopicStop saying "nobody means no more police" lol
averagejoel
06/17/20 12:05:24 AM
#46:


Conflict posted...
What exactly do you propose in replacement of law enforcement

It needs reform so the corruption in the force can end. Getting rid of it entirely is just tantamount to legalizing murder
this is based on several assumptions, including:
1. the police are effective at preventing murder, either as a deterrent or by direct intervention
2. the police are effective at solving murders
3. corruption in the system, rather than the system itself, is the problem
4. reforming the system would end corruption and/or the actual problems
5. the reforms themselves will be permanent fixtures of the system, rather than policies that can be undone, ignored, or otherwise undermined

of these assumptions, 3 and 5 are outright false.

I have read many convincing arguments against 4 and none in favour of it, so it's going in the "tenuous" pile

the data on solved murders suggests that 2 is false as well. there is some semantic ambiguity in what counts as "effective" though, so I'll be generous and call it "tenuous" as well

the reduction in crime rates in Camden is, admittedly, not much to go on, but it does suggest that 1 is false as well.

so 2 assumptions of 5 are false, and the other 3 are tenuous.

you should probably do some re-examining of where these assumptions are coming from -- I can recommend some books/essays/articles to help you along if you like

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