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You want me to go back and read. Fine. Here:

• youre mad that Abby kills joel with no interaction. you are mad that Joel is hardly in the game at the start, that he doesn't really get to engage with Ellie. You are mad that Abby kills Joel after he saves her.
• calls it both bad and insane that this happens
• believes that abby is deranged and it angers you that we have to play as "some random character who kills joel for no reason"
• joel isn't the villian because he just saved abby
• its sloppy and rushed
• its dumb because this game revolved around a character who was meaningless in the first game
• "[Joel] tried to do a lot of the right things, and he had a lot of humanity to him. The ending of the game is crafted in a way to make you feel like Joel is making the right decision to save Ellie and kill the Fireflies, who are billed as very nasty people overall throughout the game. It's only now, before this game is released, that they are trying to convince us that Joel was actually in the wrong for it, to the point of retconing things"
• "I would say if Joel started killing random people and rampage against them to murder them, yes. He'd be a psychopath too. But you'd also have to contend with the fact that they killed a little girl too, which is pretty unconscionable in itself."

Bold things are things that are, in my opinion, you using the narrative of "Joel is a good guy" to explain why it is you don't like the creative decisions in this game.

We then get to "Chose one: Joel going on a murder spree to save Ellie's life after they took her without consent to crack her head open for a cure, in which they've stated they've had zero success with despite trying countless times to use immune people for the cure [...]"

Which, bolded, is not true at all and I've point that out already.

we then get an assumption about abby in the form of: "But Abby still had a giant support system with her group she's been with her whole life, currently lives in a place with electricity and air conditioning and a state of the art gym" While we actually have no idea if this is true or not and we have no idea what kind of state Joel left the Fireflies in or what happened with their base (unless i have missed some key info from LoU info dumps, which if so, correct me)

• "She is trying to hunt down and murder him, full stop."
• "Joel is saving Ellie from some people who don't give a s*** and will do whatever they can for another likely failed crack at a cure. That's the sticking point here."

"That's the sticking point here." Which I have already pointed out is not accurate. So it's not a sticking point at all actually it makes your entire argument fall apart when the "sticking point" is not true.

You go on to support your argument again that Joel is "saving Ellie from awful people trying to murder an her," when that isn't really a fair representation of the game.

You then circle back around to it being done too quickly and without "any sort of meaningful interaction" or "nuance". There is no positive Joel and Ellie hangs, no talk of who Abby is, and you just kill Joel like he means nothing.

Which, to me, just complete ignores the fact that there is TWENTY hours left in the game, and so to make claims like that and to suggest that none of those thing ever happens in the rest of the game, is pretty disingenuous.

We then get to a point where I enter the conversation and get told my posts are trash.

I am not saying that you can't dislike the game. I'm not saying that where you end up is not where you should end up. It's art, you are allowed to like or it or you are allowed to dislike it. I have issue with how you get to your conclusion, because I think the way you get there is based on some key pieces that I think are either just flat out wrong, or interpreted incorrectly.

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