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You've been saying most of the topic that the arguments boiled down to Joel being likeable or Abby being unlikeable, but I don't think anyone ever said the former of the two and it followed by more since before you posted in the topic. Maybe Leon hadn't said that himself, but he pointed out others had, which is true.

If I remember right, he makes a move with the scalpel to harm Joel with it too. Also, he was black in the first game but now he's white. So that's weird too. Like he's so meaningless of a character that they're willing to just change his race because they thought nobody would remember, but he's not so meaningless because the entire game revolves around his death.

I disagree with that. He tried to do a lot of the right things, and he had a lot of humanity to him. The ending of the game is crafted in a way to make you feel like Joel is making the right decision to save Ellie and kill the Fireflies, who are billed as very nasty people overall throughout the game. It's only now, before this game is released, that they are trying to convince us that Joel was actually in the wrong for it, to the point of retconing things (such as Druckmann saying if they got to crack open Ellie's brain, they absolutely would have found the cure when the game states that these scientists suck and they've had no success).