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ChaosTonyV4 04/25/20 8:30:26 PM #31:	Inviso posted... "Progressives don't win because they don't stick together." is a cop out answer. If you are progressive, and you are outnumbered by moderates, then all the "sticking together" in the world is not going to net you a win. What kind of answer did you want? What kind of statement is this? At one point, "MAGA" was outnumbered by the Neocons, and they fucking won. You are literally arguing that Progressives MUST compromise and Moderates never should, while also asserting that these bases are rigid numbers rather than fungible. Inviso posted... Democrats didn't rally around Bernie because Democrats do not LIKE Bernie. Specifically. Not the progressive movement. Not most other progressive candidates. Bernie SPECIFICALLY. You criticize Dems for running an untenable candidate in Hillary Clinton (and potentially another in Joe Biden), but Bernie is just as untenable to the other side of the party as those two are to yours. And in terms of the broader election, there is nothing that indicates that Bernie would suddenly and miraculously becoming more appealing to an extremely conservative country. I mean this is just patently false, dude. Why are you saying things that can be disproven in 2 seconds on Google? In the last couple years, Bernie was the most liked politican, period, and the most liked candidate frequently. He currently still beats Joe in popularity. https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sanders-gallup-favorability-democrats-2020-1450344 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/regular-democrats-arent-least-bit-worried-about-bernie/606688/ https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cpac-rates-sanders-as-the-biggest-threat-to-trump-in-2020-steyer-warren-as-easiest-to-beat Based on this comment, I imagine you mostly interact with hardcore Hillary stans who still feel slighted by him, because they're the group with the lowest approval of him, funny enough, even lower than the anti-commie right (who recognize his genuine appeal, even if they disagree). Inviso posted... I view your idealism as a negative because at a certain point, your attitude comes across as selfish, because your argument turns into "If I don't get EVERYTHING I want, then I would rather get NOTHING and have things I like TAKEN AWAY, than only get SOME of the things I want". It comes across as progressive virtue signaling. At a certain point it's just disrespectful the way you're talking to me like I'm some random Bernie Bro a winemom told you was mean to them on Twitter or some shit. I literally said at the end of the last topic, and I've said it a dozen times, I do not WANT somethings "TAKEN AWAY" if I don't get everything I want. My fear is that even if Joe Biden wins, it just calms the anti-Trumpians into complacency and leads us to a 2024 BLOWOUT where the Republican replacement is actually competent but just as legislatively awful, like a Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:938089618] in Politics C... [t:78625587]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>"Progressives don't win because they don't stick together." is a cop out answer. If you are progressive, and you are outnumbered by moderates, then all the "sticking together" in the world is not going to net you a win.</quote> What kind of answer did you want? What kind of statement is this? At one point, "MAGA" was outnumbered by the Neocons, and they fucking won. You are literally arguing that Progressives MUST compromise and Moderates never should, while also asserting that these bases are rigid numbers rather than fungible. Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats didn't rally around Bernie because Democrats do not LIKE Bernie. Specifically. Not the progressive movement. Not most other progressive candidates. Bernie SPECIFICALLY. You criticize Dems for running an untenable candidate in Hillary Clinton (and potentially another in Joe Biden), but Bernie is just as untenable to the other side of the party as those two are to yours. And in terms of the broader election, there is nothing that indicates that Bernie would suddenly and miraculously becoming more appealing to an extremely conservative country.</quote> I mean this is just patently false, dude. Why are you saying things that can be disproven in 2 seconds on Google? In the last couple years, Bernie was the most liked politican, period, and the most liked candidate frequently. He currently still beats Joe in popularity. https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sanders-gallup-favorability-democrats-2020-1450344 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/regular-democrats-arent-least-bit-worried-about-bernie/606688/ https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cpac-rates-sanders-as-the-biggest-threat-to-trump-in-2020-steyer-warren-as-easiest-to-beat Based on this comment, I imagine you mostly interact with hardcore Hillary stans who still feel slighted by him, because they're the group with the lowest approval of him, funny enough, even lower than the anti-commie right (who recognize his genuine appeal, even if they disagree). Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>I view your idealism as a negative because at a certain point, your attitude comes across as selfish, because your argument turns into "If I don't get EVERYTHING I want, then I would rather get NOTHING and have things I like TAKEN AWAY, than only get SOME of the things I want". It comes across as progressive virtue signaling.</quote> At a certain point it's just disrespectful the way you're talking to me like I'm some random Bernie Bro a winemom told you was mean to them on Twitter or some shit. I literally said at the end of the last topic, and I've said it a dozen times, I do not WANT somethings "TAKEN AWAY" if I don't get everything I want. My fear is that even if Joe Biden wins, it just calms the anti-Trumpians into complacency and leads us to a 2024 BLOWOUT where the Republican replacement is actually competent but just as legislatively awful, like a Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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