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Inviso posted...

You're right, Tony. If only Elizabeth Warren had endorsed her fellow progressive, her supporters, who had largely already moved went to Bernie because of that same "electability" argument "you guys" always use against Biden, would have been able to overcome the numerical minority they had as a result of moderates outnumbering progressives in a largely conservative country.

It's weird, I'm arguing your points, and you are arguing against me like I'm every worst Bernie Bro trope wrapped up into one. I have literally never ever ever said Warren endorsing Bernie properly would have guaranteed him the win.

But her not definitely didn't help! You just asked me why Progressives don't win, and I pointed out a textbook example of progressives not sticking together.

Literally what more of an answer could you get than that?

Inviso posted...

Here's a thought experiment: if Bernie Sanders doesn't run and ISN'T the voice of progressivism in the primary, does moderate Voltron feel the same compulsion to drop out and rally around THEIR strongest contender just to beat him?

Are you asking me if the Dems would have rallied around Biden to beat whoever was winning otherwise if Bernie wasn't in the race?

No, I think the Democrats would have rallied around whoever won the majority of Iowa/New Hampshire/Nevada, the same way they've done in literally every election (including 2008) before this one. What's your counter-argument? Why didn't Dems support Bernie after he won the states they spent 9 months telling us would decide the nominee?

Inviso posted...

But you wouldn't like that. You like Bernie specifically because he walks the walk and talks the talk and doesn't compromise and won't change who he is, even though we now have two elections' worth of data showing that just because he makes your heart flutter with inspiration, doesn't mean the rest of the country feels the same way.

I just...there is literally no getting through to you. This is why Bernie lost. And this is why we're stuck with Biden.
Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier.

You are arguing THROUGH me at this point, engage with me and not some trope, dammit.

Bernie is literally irrelevant.

I have ideals. I would gladly support any candidate who stands for those ideals.

The reason I'm a Bernie supporter is because he is one of the only candidate that I know actually stands for those ideals, and isn't just a craven politician changing his views to fit the crowd or the climate.

I believe him because he has the record to prove it. That's the difference.

I don't know why, but you seem to view that as a negative. That's our impasse.


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