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Topic	Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective
Kamekguy 04/23/20 11:46:32 AM #46:	I mean, Paper Mario > World of Warcraft and Golden Sun> GTA: SA are pretty damning (if the former is very correct and the latter slightly less so; Golden Sun ain't even Camelot's best RPG on the GBA when Mario Golf: Advance Tour is sitting right there!). I tend to think that the Gamecube era was Nintendo's worst time for "hardcores". Series like Mega Man, Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy had jumped ship to the Playstation, which was innovating storytelling in games and marketing itself both at Nintendo's traditional "family" market AND at those who wanted the medium to "grow up" with them, so to speak. Sonic was a fallen titan who people were basically giving post-retirement respect to before he decided to have another run at it and mucked it up. Nintendo had just lost Rare, which basically caused the Nintendo fanbase to turn on everything Donkey Kong internally for... some reason, put the kiddy gloves and coat of paint on Link, Pokemon was the hottest thing and clearly marketed toward younger children. They basically only had Smash, Metroid and MAYBE Eternal Darkness if you were REALLY into Ninty's catalogue to show off as "pushing the game forward" and being even remotely "mature". It really wasn't until the DS that they saved face, and the Wii made them inescapable. Nintendo's performances in these contests seem to line up with that well, Link aside because... I mean it's Link. tl;dr, nah, Nintendo's just got a baseline "nostalgic" strength and then rises or falls from there based on what the company's doing. People were growing up from Nintendo, and Final Fantasy VII is a very resonant game to a lot of people that came out early in the PS1's life cycle. Then Nintendo came back as convenient and accessible. Then it wasn't that during the Wii U era (aside from Smash and Mario Kart). Then it came back again with the Switch. It's an easy trend to follow, the contests just started when Ninty was on the downswing. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:937937602] in Mario Vs C... [t:78609865]...</cite> <quote>I mean, Paper Mario > World of Warcraft and Golden Sun> GTA: SA are pretty damning (if the former is very correct and the latter slightly less so; Golden Sun ain't even Camelot's best RPG on the GBA when Mario Golf: Advance Tour is sitting right there!). I tend to think that the Gamecube era was Nintendo's worst time for "hardcores". Series like Mega Man, Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy had jumped ship to the Playstation, which was innovating storytelling in games and marketing itself both at Nintendo's traditional "family" market AND at those who wanted the medium to "grow up" with them, so to speak. Sonic was a fallen titan who people were basically giving post-retirement respect to before he decided to have another run at it and mucked it up. Nintendo had just lost Rare, which basically caused the Nintendo fanbase to turn on everything Donkey Kong internally for... some reason, put the kiddy gloves and coat of paint on Link, Pokemon was the hottest thing and clearly marketed toward younger children. They basically only had Smash, Metroid and MAYBE Eternal Darkness if you were REALLY into Ninty's catalogue to show off as "pushing the game forward" and being even remotely "mature". It really wasn't until the DS that they saved face, and the Wii made them inescapable. Nintendo's performances in these contests seem to line up with that well, Link aside because... I mean it's Link. tl;dr, nah, Nintendo's just got a baseline "nostalgic" strength and then rises or falls from there based on what the company's doing. People were growing up from Nintendo, and Final Fantasy VII is a very resonant game to a lot of people that came out early in the PS1's life cycle. Then Nintendo came back as convenient and accessible. Then it wasn't that during the Wii U era (aside from Smash and Mario Kart). Then it came back again with the Switch. It's an easy trend to follow, the contests just started when Ninty was on the downswing. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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