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Topic	Buttigieg dropped out.
shipwreckers 03/03/20 12:33:14 AM #47:	streamofthesky posted... You're not "defending Trump", just saying that Bernie's statement will drive voters to Trump, who's actually acted on the same exact sentiment (I recall actions speaking louder than...something something...), then criticize Bernie for talking about doing the thing Trump has already done. Yeah, that's fucking horse shit Meh, I guess that's the sucky part of campaigning. It has nothing to do with "right" vs. "wrong," or effective vs. ineffective. It's all about what SOUNDS good (like Trump with the whole "America First" / "We don't negotiate with terrorists," which as everybody knows, IS horseshit). Come to think of it, MOST campaign promises are shit. Bernie DOES deserve to be criticized for bad ideas (regardless of who the hell has done it before, just as THEY TOO deserve to be criticized. As I mentioned earlier, Trump was indeed ripped apart even by his own die-hard followers for his stupidity.) Since when did negotiating with indoctrinated psychopaths ever become a good idea for ANY leader (ideologically or practically)? Granted, I understand Bernie's sentiment (and, *if there was some way to actually resolve centuries of Middle East hatred by sheer diplomacy alone, that would be fantastic*). Sadly, it's just not feasible by any measure of historical evidence (regardless of who happened to be warming the seat in the Oval Office at the time). It's odd how much animosity there is in these comments, when fundamentally, we're actually all in somewhat agreement here. BAD IDEA IS BAD! (Trump, Bernie, Obama, Napoleon, Constantine, etc.) --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:935152474] in Buttigieg ... [t:78444679]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>You're not "defending Trump", just saying that Bernie's statement will drive voters to Trump, who's actually acted on the same exact sentiment (I recall actions speaking louder than...something something...), then criticize Bernie for talking about doing the thing Trump has already done. Yeah, that's fucking horse shit</quote> Meh, I guess that's the sucky part of campaigning. It has nothing to do with "right" vs. "wrong," or effective vs. ineffective. It's all about what SOUNDS good (like Trump with the whole "America First" / "We don't negotiate with terrorists," which as everybody knows, IS horseshit). Come to think of it, MOST campaign promises are shit. Bernie DOES deserve to be criticized for bad ideas (regardless of who the hell has done it before, just as THEY TOO deserve to be criticized. As I mentioned earlier, Trump was indeed ripped apart even by his own die-hard followers for his stupidity.) Since when did negotiating with indoctrinated psychopaths ever become a good idea for ANY leader (ideologically or practically)? Granted, I understand Bernie's sentiment (and, if there was some way to actually resolve centuries of Middle East hatred by sheer diplomacy alone, that would be fantastic). Sadly, it's just not feasible by any measure of historical evidence (regardless of who happened to be warming the seat in the Oval Office at the time). It's odd how much animosity there is in these comments, when fundamentally, we're actually all in somewhat agreement here. BAD IDEA IS BAD! (Trump, Bernie, Obama, Napoleon, Constantine, etc.) --- Money is overrated...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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