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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 255: A Holiday Present From Tulsi
ChaosTonyV4 12/28/19 4:32:11 PM #224:	xp1337 posted... And they were wrong too! The PUMA movement wasn't looked on favorably in 2008 either, at least not in the circles I read from! And, fair or not, the critical difference between the situations is the margin of victory. 2008 Obama won in a blowout, PUMA defectors didn't appreciably change anything. Sanders -> Trump voters, while only 12% of his primary support from 2016, was well over Trump's margin of victory in each of WI, MI, and PA. More than double in all of them, up to nearly five times as high in MI. If you flip those three states... well I shouldn't need to tell you why such a situation is such a sore spot compared to 2008. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2008_United_States_presidential_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election#Since_convention_nominations The polling for both elections showed a comfortable Democratic win. Hillary herself even wrote Bernie a letter complementing all the work he did for her! You cant really blame Bernie and his (smaller) group of supporters that she absolutely blew it against the most unpopular guy in history. And its still being blamed, with all context stripped out, on Bernie Bros being selfish and bad, while any other (except Tulsi lol) candidates supporters are good. Im not gonna lie, I have a fear that Bernie pulls off the Primary and then Dems (hypocritically) dont show up, and then blame Bernie for the loss. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:932165385] in Politics C... [t:78275618]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>And they were wrong too! The PUMA movement wasn't looked on favorably in 2008 either, at least not in the circles I read from! And, fair or not, the critical difference between the situations is the margin of victory. 2008 Obama won in a blowout, PUMA defectors didn't appreciably change anything. Sanders -> Trump voters, while only 12% of his primary support from 2016, was well over Trump's margin of victory in each of WI, MI, and PA. More than double in all of them, up to nearly five times as high in MI. If you flip those three states... well I shouldn't need to tell you why such a situation is such a sore spot compared to 2008.</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2008_United_States_presidential_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election#Since_convention_nominations The polling for both elections showed a comfortable Democratic win. Hillary herself even wrote Bernie a letter complementing all the work he did for her! You cant really blame Bernie and his (smaller) group of supporters that she absolutely blew it against the most unpopular guy in history. And its still being blamed, with all context stripped out, on Bernie Bros being selfish and bad, while any other (except Tulsi lol) candidates supporters are good. Im not gonna lie, I have a fear that Bernie pulls off the Primary and then Dems (hypocritically) dont show up, and then blame Bernie for the loss. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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