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Topic	Watching Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi for the first time
s0nicfan 10/23/19 4:27:43 PM #236:	stoltenberg11 posted... CM_Ponch posted... s0nicfan posted... Poe was at that point already a literal celebrated "hero of the rebellion" who was a bit of a hothead but got results The movie opens with Poe's hot head hero attitude costing countless lives and the entire bombing fleet. Holdo had every right to tell him to fuck off. The problem isn't Holdo holding back info from a reckless wannabe hero, the problem is they wrote Poe as a dumbass. If he hadn't kamikazed the bomber wing on the dreadnought it would've nuked the Resistance fleet as soon as the they came out of hyperspace with the FO right behind them. Well that's also a problem. The whole plot is basically a bunch of "it just had to happen this way" forced contrivances to drive things forward that don't really hold up to scrutiny. Like... we're all supposed to be angry at Poe for disobeying orders even though what he did prevented catastrophe? Our experience as the audience doesn't line up with what the story is trying to make us feel. Similarly, we're supposed to believe that Del Toro, the master hacker, could break out at any moment but was just chilling in his cell for however long which just happens to work out for rose/finn because they stupidly parked on a beach even though presumably the gambling planet had regular parking (and there was no reason to do so) so they missed their shot at getting their original target. It's just dumb decisions followed or preceded by perfectly good/bad circumstances that happen to line up to push the plot forward, even though that entire sub-plot ultimately had no impact on the ending anyway. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:929147449] in Watching S... [t:78104567]...</cite> <quote>stoltenberg11 posted...</cite> <quote>CM_Ponch posted...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Poe was at that point already a literal celebrated "hero of the rebellion" who was a bit of a hothead but got results</quote>The movie opens with Poe's hot head hero attitude costing countless lives and the entire bombing fleet. Holdo had every right to tell him to fuck off. The problem isn't Holdo holding back info from a reckless wannabe hero, the problem is they wrote Poe as a dumbass. </quote> If he hadn't kamikazed the bomber wing on the dreadnought it would've nuked the Resistance fleet as soon as the they came out of hyperspace with the FO right behind them.</quote> Well that's also a problem. The whole plot is basically a bunch of "it just had to happen this way" forced contrivances to drive things forward that don't really hold up to scrutiny. Like... we're all supposed to be angry at Poe for disobeying orders even though what he did prevented catastrophe? Our experience as the audience doesn't line up with what the story is trying to make us feel. Similarly, we're supposed to believe that Del Toro, the master hacker, could break out at any moment but was just chilling in his cell for however long which just happens to work out for rose/finn because they stupidly parked on a beach even though presumably the gambling planet had regular parking (and there was no reason to do so) so they missed their shot at getting their original target. It's just dumb decisions followed or preceded by perfectly good/bad circumstances that happen to line up to push the plot forward, even though that entire sub-plot ultimately had no impact on the ending anyway. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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