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Topic	Climate change: Current warming 'unparalleled' in 2,000 years
legendary_zell 08/21/19 11:29:07 AM #30:	SpiralDrift posted... legendary_zell posted... SpiralDrift posted... EternalDivide posted... And we're suppose to do what exactly about it? Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it. That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us. This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty. That's not true at all. This nihilism is gonna get us all baked. We could push for action on renewable energy, fund huge research expenditures on energy and artificial meat, etc, but the same people pushing this nihilism are the ones who actively stop that from happening. We blame and discredit Communism for famines and lack of innovation right? So what are we gonna say about capitalism when it destroys the freaking planet? Unless this results in technologies that are actually affordable no one's going to change anything. And for the things that are already affordable like solar power, most people still don't seem to want to change. Even the celebrities that champion all of this stuff still fly around in their private jets, buy fleets of vehicles just for the hell of it and generally have way higher footprints than those who just drive to work and run errands. Developing new technologies isn't enough. One way or another you're going to have to convince people to change their way of life in order to adopt those technologies. This issue isn't caused by celebrities flying private jets or being hypocrites, that's just an easy deflection. It's about an unsustainable way of life and an growth obsessed economic system that is hyper focused on short term profit to the detriment of future living beings on this only planet that we have. The issues are systemic, and that's why it'll take either a scientific or social revolution to address them. If people took it as seriously as they take mobilizing for war, there's no reason it couldn't happen, but instead people alternate between blind skepticism and being paralyzed like we see in this topic. Solar power got cheaper because tons were made and because solar power got cheaper and easier. If we treated it as an existential mission, we could do that throughout society, and the reason it doesn't happen is corporate lobbying, corporate propaganda, and people saying it doesn't matter anyway because they actually believe that or because it's a cover for climate change denial. The focus on individual footprints is misguided, things have to change on an industry or systems level. The rainforests have to be guarded, fossil fuels have to be greatly rolled back, beef production has to roll back, and we need carbon neutral forms of energy. There is nothing impossible about this because these are all human actions, the problem is our short-sightedness and people not acknowledging that a problem even exists until they have to evacuate Florida. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:926355247] in Climate ch... [t:77948331]...</cite> <quote>SpiralDrift posted...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>SpiralDrift posted...</cite> <quote>EternalDivide posted...</cite> <quote>And we're suppose to do what exactly about it? Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it. That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.</quote> This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.</quote> That's not true at all. This nihilism is gonna get us all baked. We could push for action on renewable energy, fund huge research expenditures on energy and artificial meat, etc, but the same people pushing this nihilism are the ones who actively stop that from happening. We blame and discredit Communism for famines and lack of innovation right? So what are we gonna say about capitalism when it destroys the freaking planet?</quote> Unless this results in technologies that are actually affordable no one's going to change anything. And for the things that are already affordable like solar power, most people still don't seem to want to change. Even the celebrities that champion all of this stuff still fly around in their private jets, buy fleets of vehicles just for the hell of it and generally have way higher footprints than those who just drive to work and run errands. Developing new technologies isn't enough. One way or another you're going to have to convince people to change their way of life in order to adopt those technologies.</quote> This issue isn't caused by celebrities flying private jets or being hypocrites, that's just an easy deflection. It's about an unsustainable way of life and an growth obsessed economic system that is hyper focused on short term profit to the detriment of future living beings on this only planet that we have. The issues are systemic, and that's why it'll take either a scientific or social revolution to address them. If people took it as seriously as they take mobilizing for war, there's no reason it couldn't happen, but instead people alternate between blind skepticism and being paralyzed like we see in this topic. Solar power got cheaper because tons were made and because solar power got cheaper and easier. If we treated it as an existential mission, we could do that throughout society, and the reason it doesn't happen is corporate lobbying, corporate propaganda, and people saying it doesn't matter anyway because they actually believe that or because it's a cover for climate change denial. The focus on individual footprints is misguided, things have to change on an industry or systems level. The rainforests have to be guarded, fossil fuels have to be greatly rolled back, beef production has to roll back, and we need carbon neutral forms of energy. There is nothing impossible about this because these are all human actions, the problem is our short-sightedness and people not acknowledging that a problem even exists until they have to evacuate Florida. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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