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TopicDo you think magic exists/used to exist?
rogerskg1979
12/23/18 4:35:20 PM
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Haitians have those voodoo folks that can turn people into a zombie state just using chemicals from plants.


You do know that the voodoo doll thing with the pins and needles is a product of Hollywood/pop culture and not an actual real thing, right?

Shamans, witch doctors, and the like never used "real magic." The so-called "magical" chemicals they use would just make a person high and experience hallucinations and stuff. It was just a drug, no different than modern drugs like crack and marijuana and stuff like that. Any so-called healing they could produce was just the placebo effect.


There's a documentary and some interviews on a guy whose family thought he was dead but he was kept as a slave by someone who kept him in a trance for years. It's not magic, no, but to say there isn't anything to it is denying some truth. Even in things that sound overblown and ridiculous there is often a kernel of truth somewhere.


Source for those interviews and documentary? There are plenty of drugs that can induce a trance-like state, and drugs can even put you in a coma. That doesn't mean there is anything magical about it. Using drugs to keep someone in a trance-like state for years is completely believable. Using magic and spells to do that same thing is 100% nonsense.


Can you read? I literally just said it wasn't magic. And before that I called it chemicals.


So then when what was the point of bringing it up when I was talking about shamans and witch doctors? It sounded like you were implying it was some magic voodoo hocus pocus.

I see where you could get that. I was only implying that some of the stuff witchdoctors do is based in reality and does have weird effects on people. Like the trance thing. If you didn't understand it, you might call it magic. Which is what I think some cases of 'magic' are.


Okay, yeah, shamans and witch doctors were basically just using drugs before the effects of the drugs were commonly known by the average person.

Native Americans smoked a "peace pipe" which was basically just marijuana. Is it therefore really any wonder that they hallucinated "spirit animals" and stuff when they were high on the wacky weed?
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