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Topic	Was the atomic bombing of Japan justified?
Darkman124 12/14/18 8:46:09 AM #98:	NotWhiteNinja posted... Nagasaki was undeniably unjustified. Russia turning against Japan was the biggest factor in ending the war, and that happened before the Nagasaki bombing - Japan's officials weren't even aware of the Nagasaki bombing yet at the time they decided to surrender. (They were aware of the Hiroshima one, including specifically being aware it was indeed an atomic bomb.) This is inaccurate. 1) The Hiroshima bombing yielded the first go-seidan (sacred decision of the emperor of Japan to overrule his high council, breaking their constitution, and ordering a surrender with only one term). This offer was sent to the western allies, who rejected it. Nagasaki had already been bombed at this point, but had not factored into the offer. 2) The Nagasaki bombing and Soviet entry yielded the second go-seidan, in which the Emperor offered to surrender unconditionally. Note the use of plural in the primary source document that records this event. The text makes it quite clear which of these was considered more significant to both the Emperor and his council. 3) The reason these decisions were even required was the high council itself could not agree on surrender terms, and the atom bombings forced the Emperor to act unilaterally. He did so once coincident with soviet entry/second atom bombing (the first go-seidan), in which the only information driving his decision was Hiroshima. The second was influenced by both Nagasaki and Operation August Storm. Suggesting that August Storm alone was the driving reason is extreme historical revisionism. 4) If anything, the Soviet action had more impact on the allies, as there was great fear that allowing the operation to complete would result in communism controlling all of southeast asia. This is the primary source document that showcases the first go-seidan, in which the Emperor declared Japan would surrender only with the term that the Imperial house be unaffected. It was decided upon conicident with and uninfluenced by Nagasaki, and released to the allies after Nagasaki had occurred. It was rejected. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb525-The-Atomic-Bomb-and-the-End-of-World-War-II/documents/075.pdf This is the primary source document that showcases the second go-seidan, in which the Emperor declared that Japan would surrender unconditionally. A military coup was launched the next day to stop it. The coup failed. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb525-The-Atomic-Bomb-and-the-End-of-World-War-II/documents/089.pdf --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:914107728] in Was the at... [t:77298109]...</cite> <quote><cite>NotWhiteNinja posted...</cite> <quote>Nagasaki was undeniably unjustified. Russia turning against Japan was the biggest factor in ending the war, and that happened before the Nagasaki bombing - Japan's officials weren't even aware of the Nagasaki bombing yet at the time they decided to surrender. (They were aware of the Hiroshima one, including specifically being aware it was indeed an atomic bomb.)</quote> This is inaccurate. 1) The Hiroshima bombing yielded the first go-seidan (sacred decision of the emperor of Japan to overrule his high council, breaking their constitution, and ordering a surrender with only one term). This offer was sent to the western allies, who rejected it. Nagasaki had already been bombed at this point, but had not factored into the offer. 2) The Nagasaki bombing and Soviet entry yielded the second go-seidan, in which the Emperor offered to surrender unconditionally. Note the use of plural in the primary source document that records this event. The text makes it quite clear which of these was considered more significant to both the Emperor and his council. 3) The reason these decisions were even required was the high council itself could not agree on surrender terms, and the atom bombings forced the Emperor to act unilaterally. He did so once coincident with soviet entry/second atom bombing (the first go-seidan), in which the only information driving his decision was Hiroshima. The second was influenced by both Nagasaki and Operation August Storm. Suggesting that August Storm alone was the driving reason is extreme historical revisionism. 4) If anything, the Soviet action had more impact on the allies, as there was great fear that allowing the operation to complete would result in communism controlling all of southeast asia. This is the primary source document that showcases the first go-seidan, in which the Emperor declared Japan would surrender only with the term that the Imperial house be unaffected. It was decided upon conicident with and uninfluenced by Nagasaki, and released to the allies after Nagasaki had occurred. It was rejected. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb525-The-Atomic-Bomb-and-the-End-of-World-War-II/documents/075.pdf This is the primary source document that showcases the second go-seidan, in which the Emperor declared that Japan would surrender unconditionally. A military coup was launched the next day to stop it. The coup failed. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb525-The-Atomic-Bomb-and-the-End-of-World-War-II/documents/089.pdf --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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