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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Driving in India differs from Driving in England as a procedure, let alone from the other forms that Indian traffic dodging attempts takes. The difference is not just im the level of danger involved, but rather the wider range of reckless driving that necessitates referencing india as particularly bad driving.

Driving is still driving, even if you have to be more careful in some places than others. If you want to take that high-level an approach to the comparison here, you'd be calling both of them "surgery," and that'd just be silly. Your analogy really doesn't work.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A nurse would do daily cleaning, ya dingus.

Depends on the patient. You'll notice earlier that I dismissed that point myself by saying that it's stupid to be more repulsed by smegma than by any of the other, more-unsanitary bodily secretions nurses have to deal with on a daily basis, so I don't know why you're trying to argue that point with me.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

f***ing up a dick is f***ing up a dick, no matter how much you want to downplay the damage to suit your mindset.

That's not a response to what I said. Please try again.

Aculo posted...

which sounds goddamned nightmarish. holy f***, the more i read about these conditions of being uncircumcised, the more i want to up the budget for my dad's christmas gift to thank him again for getting me cut when i was an infant, ok?

Conditions which, as we've established, tend not to be an issue with proper hygiene. If you wash your junk regularly (which you should do regardless of circumcision), you aren't going to have a problem. In the cases where phimosis occurs naturally, that can be a medical reason to circumcise somebody, which nobody is objecting to.

LinkPizza posted...

The other side acts the same. Calling circumcised people names. And being mad at them for the sole reason of being circumcised.

I see far, far more instances of circumcised people insulting uncircumcised people than vice versa, even if we ignore the frequent "it looks better cut" comment. Anger against people for being circumcised is also pretty rare. Any anger tends to be directed at their parents, who chose to have them circumcised.

Really, though, the insults are not unexpected. Even among victims of female genital mutilation, which is often far more unambiguously damaging and abusive, you see defensiveness and reluctance to accept that they've been mutilated. That's pretty understandable, because accepting that means coming to terms with the fact that their parents - whom they generally love quite a lot - made a deliberate choice to mutilate them. People don't want to admit that, and face a lot of cognitive dissonance there. It's even more pronounced with male circumcision, because the harmful effects tend to be fairly minor, and not something that anyone without a before-and-after perspective will be able to concretely understand. People who don't feel wronged don't want to accuse their parents of wronging them, so they get defensive.

LinkPizza posted...

People can do what they want.

So long as it doesn't affect others, sure. When you start affecting others, though, you have to start attaching conditions to that statement. If an uncut adult decides he wants a circumcision, that's 100% his right. He can do whatever he wants to his body. But we're not talking about adults choosing to be circumcised, we're talking about people choosing to circumcise their baby who is too young to consent to an elective surgery.