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Topic	"But Americans don't want to do the same kind of work illegals will!"
Esrac 10/10/18 3:15:55 PM #46:	Balrog0 posted... Esrac posted... I don't know, man. I suspect you're looking at a specific type of American worker. Like the urban an salaryman type of guy. I've worked around a lot of more rural, blue collar types who put in a lot of hard, dirty work with long hours and often no overtime. None of which was union. The offshore oil industry and other boat and rig worker types. My dad was a 'panel gorilla' in silicon valley before the dot com bust. Most of his coworkers were under the table. I currently live in Little Rock, Arkansas, which is not a hotbed of the cultural elite. I'm not thinking of any kind of worker in particular. Esrac posted... If those industries can get American workers, I think the farming industry can. Clearly that isn't the case. I think maybe you're the one who has a bad idea of the average worker given your personal experiences. You guys keep talking about oil rigs and alaskan fishers... I'll let you think about how generalizable you feel those industries are and why I don't know what to tell you, man. Yeah, I've referenced my work history with tough manual labor jobs and how they're filled by Americans. Maybe that does color my perspective on this, because it does convince me that there are plenty of Americans who will do hard, dirty work for the right price. I don't see any reason why that would apply to jobs like offshore oil industry work, but not farming and other types of field work. If farmers can't get Americans to work their fields for $16 an hour, that just means $16 an hour isn't enough to draw them in. Especially in a state as expensive as California. Particularly if the work is seasonal instead of year round. I don't believe Americans won't do it because it's too hard or too dirty. I'm not really thinking about the average American worker here. I'm thinking of lower working class manual laborers. Why do you suppose Americans wouldn't want to do that kind of work if not due to a lack of sufficient compensation? --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:910300983] in "But ... [t:77084861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know, man. I suspect you're looking at a specific type of American worker. Like the urban an salaryman type of guy. I've worked around a lot of more rural, blue collar types who put in a lot of hard, dirty work with long hours and often no overtime. None of which was union. The offshore oil industry and other boat and rig worker types. </quote> My dad was a 'panel gorilla' in silicon valley before the dot com bust. Most of his coworkers were under the table. I currently live in Little Rock, Arkansas, which is not a hotbed of the cultural elite. I'm not thinking of any kind of worker in particular. <cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>If those industries can get American workers, I think the farming industry can.</quote> Clearly that isn't the case. I think maybe you're the one who has a bad idea of the average worker given your personal experiences. You guys keep talking about oil rigs and alaskan fishers... I'll let you think about how generalizable you feel those industries are and why</quote> I don't know what to tell you, man. Yeah, I've referenced my work history with tough manual labor jobs and how they're filled by Americans. Maybe that does color my perspective on this, because it does convince me that there are plenty of Americans who will do hard, dirty work for the right price. I don't see any reason why that would apply to jobs like offshore oil industry work, but not farming and other types of field work. If farmers can't get Americans to work their fields for $16 an hour, that just means $16 an hour isn't enough to draw them in. Especially in a state as expensive as California. Particularly if the work is seasonal instead of year round. I don't believe Americans won't do it because it's too hard or too dirty. I'm not really thinking about the average American worker here. I'm thinking of lower working class manual laborers. Why do you suppose Americans wouldn't want to do that kind of work if not due to a lack of sufficient compensation? --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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