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Topic	"But Americans don't want to do the same kind of work illegals will!"
Esrac 10/10/18 1:58:35 PM #44:	Balrog0 posted... Esrac posted... $16 an hour doesn't sound like very much for that kind of labor if they can find easier work for a similar price. I mean, you can work in a post office for $18 - 20+ an hour. That's probably a more appealing job than field work for $16. The median income for a mail carrier is only marginally higher (at around $17.25, which is a median, not the entry level wages we're discussing here) and that is often considered a hard job, too! Going postal and all that, remember? Esrac posted... I don't believe Americans are a special case of not being willing to do dirty work for the right price. A lot of dirty and physically laborious jobs are filled by American men. You just need the right wage and benefits package. We are, though, and saying that we aren't because we just require higher pay is baking your premise into your conclusion. Esrac posted... If the work is seasonal, that is another mark against it because I think most people would prefer consistent work that doesn't leave them looking for another job the rest of the year. Yep, people really hate working shitty jobs, especially Americans that have historically relied on strong labor unions and weak international competition to buoy their wages to livable levels. I don't know, man. I suspect you're looking at a specific type of American worker. Like the urban an salaryman type of guy. I've worked around a lot of more rural, blue collar types who put in a lot of hard, dirty work with long hours and often no overtime. None of which was union. The offshore oil industry and other boat and rig worker types. If those industries can get American workers, I think the farming industry can. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:910296419] in "But ... [t:77084861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>$16 an hour doesn't sound like very much for that kind of labor if they can find easier work for a similar price. I mean, you can work in a post office for $18 - 20+ an hour. That's probably a more appealing job than field work for $16. </quote> The median income for a mail carrier is only marginally higher (at around $17.25, which is a median, not the entry level wages we're discussing here) and that is often considered a hard job, too! Going postal and all that, remember? <cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>I don't believe Americans are a special case of not being willing to do dirty work for the right price. A lot of dirty and physically laborious jobs are filled by American men. You just need the right wage and benefits package.</quote> We are, though, and saying that we aren't because we just require higher pay is baking your premise into your conclusion. <cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>If the work is seasonal, that is another mark against it because I think most people would prefer consistent work that doesn't leave them looking for another job the rest of the year.</quote> Yep, people really hate working shitty jobs, especially Americans that have historically relied on strong labor unions and weak international competition to buoy their wages to livable levels.</quote> I don't know, man. I suspect you're looking at a specific type of American worker. Like the urban an salaryman type of guy. I've worked around a lot of more rural, blue collar types who put in a lot of hard, dirty work with long hours and often no overtime. None of which was union. The offshore oil industry and other boat and rig worker types. If those industries can get American workers, I think the farming industry can. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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