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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 191: Hey Now, You're a Lodestar
Inviso 09/13/18 10:21:07 PM #304:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Inviso posted... The damage of Bernie was never his voters turning away from Hillary. It was the repeated, damaging rhetoric against her long after Bernie lost his shot at the nomination. Hillary lost because of depressed voter turnout, and I think Bernie's supporters, urged on by the Republicans and Russian trolls, contributed to that depression. Uh, Clinton got about the same number of votes Obama did in 2012 though. Hillary lost because she couldn't be bothered with the rust belt. It is stuff like this which annoys me. Bernie endorsed her. She got 89% of his voters. She lost because she ran a lousy campaign. Hillary focused massively on Pennsylvania and still lost the state, and without Pennsylvania, Michigan/Wisconsin wouldn't have mattered even if she won them. I'm not saying she ran an amazing campaign. It just annoys me that people love to heap everything on her while ignoring that there were a LOT of factors. She lost by a combined 80k votes across three states, so any little thing could've shifted that balance. And I have to imagine that having your primary opponent going hard at you long after he'd been mathematically eliminated from the race (riling up his supporters with the whole "the DNC screwed Bernie, Hillary's the same as Trump" stuff) hurt her, just as her poor campaigning in the northern midwest states, just as the Comey letter, just as general institutional sexism against the idea of a woman leader, just as a bunch of easily exploited flaws in our democratic system were at fault. ETA: Because re-reading that post seems like I'm putting a lot of blame elsewhere besides Hillary, which is contrary to my point, let me add that Hillary's gaffe about killing coal, no matter how stupidly misinterpretted it was, definitely hurt her. Also, not being able to campaign on her strengths and instead focusing on Trump's negatives was another one. It's a shame that voters need to be treated like children with quick catchphrases to get a point across, but she's been in politics long enough to know that, and she should've had her positions ready to easily explain. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:908708930] in Politics C... [t:76989412]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>The damage of Bernie was never his voters turning away from Hillary. It was the repeated, damaging rhetoric against her long after Bernie lost his shot at the nomination. Hillary lost because of depressed voter turnout, and I think Bernie's supporters, urged on by the Republicans and Russian trolls, contributed to that depression.</quote> Uh, Clinton got about the same number of votes Obama did in 2012 though. Hillary lost because she couldn't be bothered with the rust belt. It is stuff like this which annoys me. Bernie endorsed her. She got 89% of his voters. She lost because she ran a lousy campaign.</quote> Hillary focused massively on Pennsylvania and still lost the state, and without Pennsylvania, Michigan/Wisconsin wouldn't have mattered even if she won them. I'm not saying she ran an amazing campaign. It just annoys me that people love to heap everything on her while ignoring that there were a LOT of factors. She lost by a combined 80k votes across three states, so any little thing could've shifted that balance. And I have to imagine that having your primary opponent going hard at you long after he'd been mathematically eliminated from the race (riling up his supporters with the whole "the DNC screwed Bernie, Hillary's the same as Trump" stuff) hurt her, just as her poor campaigning in the northern midwest states, just as the Comey letter, just as general institutional sexism against the idea of a woman leader, just as a bunch of easily exploited flaws in our democratic system were at fault. ETA: Because re-reading that post seems like I'm putting a lot of blame elsewhere besides Hillary, which is contrary to my point, let me add that Hillary's gaffe about killing coal, no matter how stupidly misinterpretted it was, definitely hurt her. Also, not being able to campaign on her strengths and instead focusing on Trump's negatives was another one. It's a shame that voters need to be treated like children with quick catchphrases to get a point across, but she's been in politics long enough to know that, and she should've had her positions ready to easily explain. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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