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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 191: Hey Now, You're a Lodestar
Corrik 09/12/18 6:24:40 AM #80:	DoomTheGyarados posted... I see no defense of Betsy DeVos there. Which is the point. He is gutting key agencies. Anyway that spectrum is only true in the USA at all. To most of the rest of the world Bernie Sanders would be closer to the center and we've just been so far to the right for so long it is hard for us to see that. If the "center" of this country can't get behind some of the crazy far left stuff like Medicare for all (hint Obama getting behind it means the democratic party is finally ready to accept this) then fine, I don't want to win if that means that is the case. But. I have a funny feeling that given most of the 'far left' opinions poll well it is about the messagers not the message. Well, yes. I showed a UK political spectrum of the United States and how both parties trot out basically conservative candidates and everyone couldn't handle it. Bernie was liberal, while Clinton and Obama weren't in actuality. You basically have two conservatives under different guises fighting on a few key different issues most elections. You saw how much the Democratic Party lined up against letting Sanders win the nomination. Part of it was that they thought he simply couldn't win (and he probably couldn't if anyone but Trump wins the nomination on the R side). And part of it was the Democratic party simply isn't really as Far to the Left as they want to appear to attract the actual left voters. As far as Devos, Jeb Bush supported her as a good choice, and I trust his thinking. As far as what Devos has done, I do not know enough about it personally. But, I don't trust what CNN and people in this topic say about her. Many in here literally can't summon an unbiased mind for even a minute in their furor to bash Trump and anything associated to him 24/7. So, I mean, I give her the benefit of the doubt. As far as Trump gutting agencies, it was something he basically ran on. His goal was to in many ways install heads who were against the agencies in order for them to have an idea of how the agency was overreaching and bring them more into line with what they were supposed to be doing and cut costs in doing so. While you support the EPA and it's reach I am sure, many agree the EPA is the prime example of an agency overreaching big time in what it was doing. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:908586050] in Politics C... [t:76989412]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>I see no defense of Betsy DeVos there. Which is the point. He is gutting key agencies. Anyway that spectrum is only true in the USA at all. To most of the rest of the world Bernie Sanders would be closer to the center and we've just been so far to the right for so long it is hard for us to see that. If the "center" of this country can't get behind some of the crazy far left stuff like Medicare for all (hint Obama getting behind it means the democratic party is finally ready to accept this) then fine, I don't want to win if that means that is the case. But. I have a funny feeling that given most of the 'far left' opinions poll well it is about the messagers not the message.</quote> Well, yes. I showed a UK political spectrum of the United States and how both parties trot out basically conservative candidates and everyone couldn't handle it. Bernie was liberal, while Clinton and Obama weren't in actuality. You basically have two conservatives under different guises fighting on a few key different issues most elections. You saw how much the Democratic Party lined up against letting Sanders win the nomination. Part of it was that they thought he simply couldn't win (and he probably couldn't if anyone but Trump wins the nomination on the R side). And part of it was the Democratic party simply isn't really as Far to the Left as they want to appear to attract the actual left voters. As far as Devos, Jeb Bush supported her as a good choice, and I trust his thinking. As far as what Devos has done, I do not know enough about it personally. But, I don't trust what CNN and people in this topic say about her. Many in here literally can't summon an unbiased mind for even a minute in their furor to bash Trump and anything associated to him 24/7. So, I mean, I give her the benefit of the doubt. As far as Trump gutting agencies, it was something he basically ran on. His goal was to in many ways install heads who were against the agencies in order for them to have an idea of how the agency was overreaching and bring them more into line with what they were supposed to be doing and cut costs in doing so. While you support the EPA and it's reach I am sure, many agree the EPA is the prime example of an agency overreaching big time in what it was doing. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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