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Funbazooka posted...

This sounds like a legal battle over trademarking, which is defined by law and determined through the court system when dispute arises. "Cultural appropriation" is a made-up thing that has no bearing on our laws. I don't know enough about trademarks to take their side or not take their side but clearly, "cultural appropriation" is not the issue at hand here.

It is a legal battle over trademarking, you seem to think that is somehow proof that this isn't cultural appropriation. Idk why you'd think that tho.

You are obviously conflating the misused version of cultural appropriation and this actual, real version.
A people's culture was appropriated by an outside force for monetary gain. I mean what more do you need? Of course this has nothing to do with people wearing Native American headdresses and nonsense like that, that's just SJW nonsense. But this? This is a real issue that is dealing with an actual culture being taken advantage of.

Dragonblade01 posted...

It's not ignorant to call it a generic word if you understand what I mean when I call it a generic word. I mean that it's a word that people use as part of generic conversation. This is distinguished from something like, say, "pop-tarts" which is the name of a specific product/brand. And no, comparing it to those words that I mentioned is certainly not "absurd," and to suggest otherwise would be far more insulting than me referring to aloha as a "generic word."

And I say that it's still your culture. You still have it. That doesn't change. What's happened is that you can't use the specific words because someone is trying to trademark it. Your culture hasn't actually been taken from you, this company is trying to stop you and anyone else from using the words.I wouldn't say that's cultural appropriation, I would say that it's them trying to own generic words, which is an awful thing to do in its own right and shouldn't be allowed.

And I'm not saying language isn't tied to culture. I'm saying that culture isn't taken by someone trying to prevent others from using words. Culture can't be taken. It's abstract. It's constantly changing. An area's culture is that area's culture no matter what happens. The problem is that the company is trying to own a word that they should not reasonably expect to own, because it's a generic word in the language.

Why would you think you understand Hawaiian culture and the Hawaiian language and the importance of the word Aloha more than I would, much less more than Hawaiians would? It isn't a generic word that is part of normal conversation. Hawaii is literally known as the Aloha state, Aloha goes far deeper than a generic word with a definition that is used just like any other word. That's why I said it was ignorant, cuz it objectively is.

And again, cultural appropriation doesn't mean that your entire culture has been stolen from you, that's a pretty crazy argument to even think of so I don't want to waste much time on it, I'm sure you'll agree if you stop and think about it for a second.

But just for clarification, what words in any language would you consider to not be generic words?
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