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Suprak the Stud 07/16/18 10:23:12 AM #85:	metroid composite posted... LordoftheMorons posted... Vaccines are actually probably the clearest case of this; diseases like measles are totally wiped out so no one has a frame of reference for what theyre preventing which lets idiots convince themselves that some imaginary downside of vaccines outweighs the real benefit. Well, sure, although interestingly there is an actual scientific argument to be made that Americans over-vaccinate. (There's no scientific debate about Measles vaccines, but there is debate about flu vaccines--in that Europe doesn't do flu vaccines, and there's arguments that America's yearly attempts at trying to make partial flu vaccines is actually just making flu strains more resistant to vaccines). This is inaccurate for a couple reasons: 1) Europe absolutely does flu vaccines. The difference is they recommend them to susceptible groups while the US recommends them to everyone. There are science (the flu isnt dangerous to the majority of the population BUT it could increase herd immunity and thus decrease the chances the elderly get it BUT herd immunity when the vaccine is only roughly 40-60% effective based on the year and only a fraction of the people get it anyway is probably not going to decrease the rates of illness significantly) and financial (more expensive to vaccinate everyone BUT the workers in the US are less likely to have paid time off for illness) reasons for this. But Europe does the exact same thing the US does (highly recommends but not requires) for targeted populations. 2) the flu isnt getting more vaccine resistant. That isnt the issue with the disease. The issue is there are multiple strains and scientists basically have to guess which ones will be the predominant strains in any given year well in advance of the disease hitting to have a chance at mass production. The flu strains are never the same year to year so this isnt a concern and vaccines arent something that you typically need to worry about a disease developing resistance to anyway. Antibiotics are a much bigger concern in that regard because the person has to have the disease and then selection can occur based on what survives the treatment. In vaccination that sort of selection doesnt occur because the person doesnt get the disease in the first place. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:905168320] in Chris' pol... [t:76797135]...</cite> <quote><cite>metroid composite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Vaccines are actually probably the clearest case of this; diseases like measles are totally wiped out so no one has a frame of reference for what theyre preventing which lets idiots convince themselves that some imaginary downside of vaccines outweighs the real benefit.</quote> Well, sure, although interestingly there is an actual scientific argument to be made that Americans over-vaccinate. (There's no scientific debate about Measles vaccines, but there is debate about flu vaccines--in that Europe doesn't do flu vaccines, and there's arguments that America's yearly attempts at trying to make partial flu vaccines is actually just making flu strains more resistant to vaccines).</quote> This is inaccurate for a couple reasons: 1) Europe absolutely does flu vaccines. The difference is they recommend them to susceptible groups while the US recommends them to everyone. There are science (the flu isnt dangerous to the majority of the population BUT it could increase herd immunity and thus decrease the chances the elderly get it BUT herd immunity when the vaccine is only roughly 40-60% effective based on the year and only a fraction of the people get it anyway is probably not going to decrease the rates of illness significantly) and financial (more expensive to vaccinate everyone BUT the workers in the US are less likely to have paid time off for illness) reasons for this. But Europe does the exact same thing the US does (highly recommends but not requires) for targeted populations. 2) the flu isnt getting more vaccine resistant. That isnt the issue with the disease. The issue is there are multiple strains and scientists basically have to guess which ones will be the predominant strains in any given year well in advance of the disease hitting to have a chance at mass production. The flu strains are never the same year to year so this isnt a concern and vaccines arent something that you typically need to worry about a disease developing resistance to anyway. Antibiotics are a much bigger concern in that regard because the person has to have the disease and then selection can occur based on what survives the treatment. In vaccination that sort of selection doesnt occur because the person doesnt get the disease in the first place. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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