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Topic	Chris' political topic 2: Huh, didn't expect to be making another casual topic.
Suprak the Stud 07/13/18 3:17:55 PM #58:	The era of US unilaterally invading and destroying countries because there was no-one to stand against them and/or their proxies is over. Hey, whoa, another thing that Vlado and I agree upon! The thing is, a strong and unified NATO helps prevent things like this. If NATO was more empowered, maybe Russia just doesn't up and annex Crimea. Maybe they don't use Syria to stage a proxy war. These are Obama's failings - not Trump, but it is a reason why we want a strong international community. Globalism is good in the sense that it keeps the UK and Germany and France and all of Europe breaking out into huge wars since we started forming these international coalitions. I think you and I are in agreement that we don't want the US engaging in building nation states, right? The disagreement then comes from what is the best way to prevent it. GuessMyUserName posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Now it costs money to have bases there and troops there. But. THOSE ARE OUR TROOPS. Those bases give us strategic advantage. For us. USA. No one else. yeah as a Canadian that has also lived abroad (Japan), it completely blows my mind that any americans would complain about this being unfair to them, it's straight-up global power that US controls I mean if you guys don't wanna be a world leader that's cool I'd love it if a European country stepped up in your place There is no European power like that, and there won't be unless Europe unifies entirely. The next global power when one surpasses the US is going to be China, and there isn't one close (India maybe? But India has its own problems although not on the scale as China). If you don't like the US, China is worse in just about every regard. Also, if you're looking for a "good" leader to step up, I'm not sure Europe is really where you want to look based on their history. Canada is probably the "best" I can think of if you're looking for progressive, liberal leadership but they simply do not have the influence, GDP, or power for any of that sadly. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:905017966] in Chris' pol... [t:76797135]...</cite> <quote><quote>The era of US unilaterally invading and destroying countries because there was no-one to stand against them and/or their proxies is over.</quote> Hey, whoa, another thing that Vlado and I agree upon! The thing is, a strong and unified NATO helps prevent things like this. If NATO was more empowered, maybe Russia just doesn't up and annex Crimea. Maybe they don't use Syria to stage a proxy war. These are Obama's failings - not Trump, but it is a reason why we want a strong international community. Globalism is good in the sense that it keeps the UK and Germany and France and all of Europe breaking out into huge wars since we started forming these international coalitions. I think you and I are in agreement that we don't want the US engaging in building nation states, right? The disagreement then comes from what is the best way to prevent it. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Now it costs money to have bases there and troops there. But. THOSE ARE OUR TROOPS. Those bases give us strategic advantage. For us. USA. No one else.</quote> yeah as a Canadian that has also lived abroad (Japan), it completely blows my mind that any americans would complain about this being unfair to them, it's straight-up global power that US controls I mean if you guys don't wanna be a world leader that's cool I'd love it if a European country stepped up in your place</quote> There is no European power like that, and there won't be unless Europe unifies entirely. The next global power when one surpasses the US is going to be China, and there isn't one close (India maybe? But India has its own problems although not on the scale as China). If you don't like the US, China is worse in just about every regard. Also, if you're looking for a "good" leader to step up, I'm not sure Europe is really where you want to look based on their history. Canada is probably the "best" I can think of if you're looking for progressive, liberal leadership but they simply do not have the influence, GDP, or power for any of that sadly. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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