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TopicI think I'm a libertarian socialist.
treewojima
06/28/18 8:26:44 PM
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government intervention in economics = bad news

the idea of the "state" existing who provide healthcare, roads, police, hospitals, courts and that's all = good time for all


There doesn't have to be a state to allocate those resources. Does the state or federal government tell your local fire department how to operate? No, they just give them money to do so. A local fire station operates on its own - likely with a bureaucracy, but it could just as easily operate as a democratic institution.


Yes, but the citizens paying taxes to a central government who then allocates those funds to the states based on need is better than having the state with the most citizens immediately having the most money.

That will still happen of course, but my way, funds are more fairly allocated and the states are given all they need rather than hoarding money. Let the government hoard money and allocate out to states when needed, rather than states hoarding money and not providing to other states who will need it.

of course, my way requires a totally fair and impartial federal government to succeed


In my way, there is no government. Power is directly allocated by autonomous collectives based on democratic processes. If said collective decides to create some sort of vertical hierarchy, it can be immediately recalled. You can have a leader, but if he fucks things up you can kick him or her out. As long as a person knows what they're doing, all is well.


That's literally what a fucking government is, dude


Let me correct my statement. Government isn't bad, as long as it derives direct authority from the people. The state is bad. I should have used "state" in the sense of "government."

The important point to derive is that governments' authority should derive directly from the people. If you're among a group of people, and you arrive at a democratic conclusion at where you should go out to eat, is that decision a separate entity? Or did you just make an agreement to get some food?


there is no meaningful difference between a state and a government.

once you have elected officials and a discernible power structure and organization, you have a state/government


So now we're dropping into a debate about hierarchy. This will inevitably turn into a debate about human nature and autonomy. Have you ever conceded that you were wrong in an argument?
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