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Topic	I didn't know America had children concentration camps
darkknight109 06/28/18 6:48:23 PM #93:	Unbridled9 posted... So what? Because their country is a shithole it's suddenly A-okay to cross the border and everyone should be welcoming and all that stuff? This is not what I said. Unbridled9 posted... If Mexico suddenly became prosperous you know damned well that this exact same debate would still be happening with a bunch of bleeding heart emotionalizers claiming we should take every illegal immigrant. This is meaningless speculation. Unbridled9 posted... If some non-violent, non felonious, non-gangmember person walked right up to the border, not even trying to hide it, walked right up to the check point and proceeded to pat the guards on the back before walking right on in, would you approve? This has nothing to do with anything I said. Unbridled9 posted... No we don't Yes, you do. It is written directly into US law and international treaties to which the US is a signatory. You may not like it, but them's the breaks. Unbridled9 posted... These are people who tried to come to America to live a life of wealth and prosperity without having to do things like 'pay taxes' and 'become actual citizens'. According to a study - which, I hasten to add, was commissioned by the Trump administration, aka a group whose antipathy towards immigration is well-known and oft-stated - illegal immigrants are net-contributors to the US tax system to the tune of some $65 billion dollars a year. This is mostly because they still have to pay things like income and sales tax, which goes towards various social security programs that they cannot use by dint of not being citizens. In other words, they pay into the system and get very little back out of it. Of note, the Trump administration attempted to bury these findings when they first came out, because it was inconvenient to their message of how illegal immigrants are all free-loading drains on the system. Simple fact is, if every illegal immigrant were to voluntarily stand up and walk out of the country with not a single penny of taxpayer money facilitating that exodus, America would still lose a considerable amount of money on the deal. Unbridled9 posted... Face it. When it comes to 'why' the reason is 'because I feel guilty and want to look good'. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that people may legitimately believe that these people are being given a shit deal? That they don't deserve to have their kids ripped away from them because that's a tremendously shitty thing to do? Why do you automatically assume it's about image and self-centredness, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary? Are you that much of a sociopath that basic human compassion is a completely alien concept to you? Unbridled9 posted... you wouldn't even consider going to do charity work or anything to try and help these other nations or these people Absolute fucking horseshit I don't. Don't pretend you know how I spend my charity money or my time volunteering, because you plainly don't and are just making yourself look like an asshat. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:904147581] in I didn't k... [t:76735233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>So what? Because their country is a shithole it's suddenly A-okay to cross the border and everyone should be welcoming and all that stuff?</quote> This is not what I said. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>If Mexico suddenly became prosperous you know damned well that this exact same debate would still be happening with a bunch of bleeding heart emotionalizers claiming we should take every illegal immigrant. </quote> This is meaningless speculation. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>If some non-violent, non felonious, non-gangmember person walked right up to the border, not even trying to hide it, walked right up to the check point and proceeded to pat the guards on the back before walking right on in, would you approve?</quote> This has nothing to do with anything I said. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>No we don't</quote> Yes, you do. It is written directly into US law and international treaties to which the US is a signatory. You may not like it, but them's the breaks. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>These are people who tried to come to America to live a life of wealth and prosperity without having to do things like 'pay taxes' and 'become actual citizens'. </quote> According to a study - which, I hasten to add, was commissioned by the Trump administration, aka a group whose antipathy towards immigration is well-known and oft-stated - illegal immigrants are net-contributors to the US tax system to the tune of some $65 billion dollars a year. This is mostly because they still have to pay things like income and sales tax, which goes towards various social security programs that they cannot use by dint of not being citizens. In other words, they pay into the system and get very little back out of it. Of note, the Trump administration attempted to bury these findings when they first came out, because it was inconvenient to their message of how illegal immigrants are all free-loading drains on the system. Simple fact is, if every illegal immigrant were to voluntarily stand up and walk out of the country with not a single penny of taxpayer money facilitating that exodus, America would still lose a considerable amount of money on the deal. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Face it. When it comes to 'why' the reason is 'because I feel guilty and want to look good'.</quote> Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that people may legitimately believe that these people are being given a shit deal? That they don't deserve to have their kids ripped away from them because that's a tremendously shitty thing to do? Why do you automatically assume it's about image and self-centredness, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary? Are you that much of a sociopath that basic human compassion is a completely alien concept to you? <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>you wouldn't even consider going to do charity work or anything to try and help these other nations or these people</quote> Absolute fucking horseshit I don't. Don't pretend you know how I spend my charity money or my time volunteering, because you plainly don't and are just making yourself look like an asshat. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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