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Smarkil posted...

I don't have the time to go through all the points, but they're all somewhat related to this. The reason we can't immediately deport this people is because they're claiming not to be illegal immigrants. They're claiming amnesty. So in order to process them for amnesty, they have to be detained while they go through the rigor. As you said, children cannot be detained. So what do we do with them? We can't leave them with their alleged family (trafficking not withstanding which, by the way, I would consider 'thousands' in spades according to the snopes link I posted) because detaining them with or without their family is still detaining them; which is illegal.

As I said, any trafficking is horrible, no matter the amount. But even as pervasive as it may be, it's still a small percentage of border crossers. The majority of these families have legitimate claims to seek asylum. I'm not comfortable punishing everyone for the actions of a comparative few. I think that's one point where we differ. Crossing illegally is a very minor offense. Having your children taken away is terrible. Having your children taken away for something as minor as this is way over the line of what is appropriate punishment considering the offense.

So because they won't revoke their amnesty, we have no choice but to detain the parents. What do we do with the children then? We can't just release them into the US and we certainly can't send them home on their own either. So basically the parents are forcing the government to do something illegal one way or another. At best we can release them to relatives in the states, but there's a lot of paperwork and verification that goes with that as well, which is how the Obama administration ended up releasing thousands of children to alleged traffickers.

We do catch traffickers at the border. It's not as if every trafficker slips through. While I'm sure it happens, and will continue to happen, again you're punishing thousands of people for the actions of a comparative few.

And if you're releasing children to traffickers, you're not catching them, so deporting them doesn't solve this. Then, you're just deporting them with their traffickers. Or you're detaining children with their traffickers. How is that any better? And you're traumatizing thousands of families for no more than crossing illegally just to go after this comparative handful of traffickers.

Also, the amount of accompanied children compared to the amount of unaccompanied children is still staggeringly high. I can't find the figure I was looking at again and I don't have time to look further, but I seem to recall it was something like 14k unaccompanied children (for the year?) to roughly 2k accompanied. Only 3.5% of unaccompanied minors are eventually removed once in the states, for the record, according to the DHS.

And we need a solution to that, as well. But the solution is certainly not adding even more minors into the internment population.

The government is trying to enforce the law and now everyone is jumping down their ass about it. As I said before, apparently the only way they can appease their detractors is to just let all these people in and say 'Fuck it'.

Detractors for the most part aren't just throwing their hands up and saying "Fuck it." Again, there are other solutions, and probably none of them are ideal. But some of those solutions are better than violating human rights and terrorizing children. Trump wanted to be the big, tough border protector and use helpless children as a bargaining chip for his dumb wall, and it backfired on him.
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