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bulbinking 06/14/18 9:10:28 AM #31:	adjl posted... 1. Maintains a consistent internal state (homeostasis) 2. Composed of cells 3. Carries out some form of metabolism 4. Grows 5. Responds to the environment 6. Adapts to environment 7. Reproduces These criteria are somewhat flexible, particularly when it comes to debating whether or not things like viruses and prions qualify as living organisms. That debate mostly arises in that, intuitively, viruses and prions behave very similarly to definite living things, but they don't meet all of these criteria. If we try to apply those criteria to robots, the only one that they actually can't meet is #2, 7, 4, 3, 1 are also impossible. You cannot use reductionism when making comparisons between the processes of organism or else we could say viruses are alive. adjl posted... Life is a physical phenomenon. Literally everything about who you are and what you do boils down to electrochemical signals in your brain and muscles. If electrochemistry can create human sentience, I see no reason why regular electricity can't create artificial sentience. Do some learning about neurobiology. The beain is waaaaaay more complicated than how you are describing it in every single organism that can claim to have one (amd several that dont have a traditional brain, like octopuses) Every day we learn something new amd complicated about how we think. adjl posted... There's also the argument I've made in the past that, because it's performed by humans, human reproduction is technically artificial. Obviously, that's being a little silly, but the fact that it's a logically defensible position No it is not. Reductionism is not logic. Until we can create from scratch the biochemical componants to form a viable humam sperm and zygote you cannot claiim that humans make more humans. We can facilitate the organic process of creating new life, but we are still incapable of producing the componants required for it. adjl posted... If we program a robot to think, it will think, and it will think thoughts we didn't explicitly tell it to think. It will be doing what it was programmed to do, but that doesn't mean it will behave predictably, any more so than humans doing what they're programmed to do means they will behave predictably. Humans do behave predictably. Thats what psychology studies. We are just so incredibly advanced that we cannot keep up with all the reasons why we do things, and frankly it the WHY doesnt matter as much as the WHAT anyway. If we were to make an AI capable of doing things so quickly in ways we cannot predict that it appears random yet with specific purposes and goals, that does not mean it isnt capable of being predicted, nor does it mean the AI has developed sentience just because one of those goals turns into self preservation, or building more of itself. Unless we want to call viruses alive too. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/76648194 <Shill tactics listed! <cite>bulbinking posted [p:903230208] in Why are so... [t:76708393]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>1. Maintains a consistent internal state (homeostasis) 2. Composed of cells 3. Carries out some form of metabolism 4. Grows 5. Responds to the environment 6. Adapts to environment 7. Reproduces These criteria are somewhat flexible, particularly when it comes to debating whether or not things like viruses and prions qualify as living organisms. That debate mostly arises in that, intuitively, viruses and prions behave very similarly to definite living things, but they don't meet all of these criteria. If we try to apply those criteria to robots, the only one that they actually can't meet is #2, </quote> 7, 4, 3, 1 are also impossible. You cannot use reductionism when making comparisons between the processes of organism or else we could say viruses are alive. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Life is a physical phenomenon. Literally everything about who you are and what you do boils down to electrochemical signals in your brain and muscles. If electrochemistry can create human sentience, I see no reason why regular electricity can't create artificial sentience. </quote> Do some learning about neurobiology. The beain is waaaaaay more complicated than how you are describing it in every single organism that can claim to have one (amd several that dont have a traditional brain, like octopuses) Every day we learn something new amd complicated about how we think. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>There's also the argument I've made in the past that, because it's performed by humans, human reproduction is technically artificial. Obviously, that's being a little silly, but the fact that it's a logically defensible position</quote> No it is not. Reductionism is not logic. Until we can create from scratch the biochemical componants to form a viable humam sperm and zygote you cannot claiim that humans make more humans. We can facilitate the organic process of creating new life, but we are still incapable of producing the componants required for it. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>If we program a robot to think, it will think, and it will think thoughts we didn't explicitly tell it to think. It will be doing what it was programmed to do, but that doesn't mean it will behave predictably, any more so than humans doing what they're programmed to do means they will behave predictably.</quote> Humans do behave predictably. Thats what psychology studies. We are just so incredibly advanced that we cannot keep up with all the reasons why we do things, and frankly it the WHY doesnt matter as much as the WHAT anyway. If we were to make an AI capable of doing things so quickly in ways we cannot predict that it appears random yet with specific purposes and goals, that does not mean it isnt capable of being predicted, nor does it mean the AI has developed sentience just because one of those goals turns into self preservation, or building more of itself. Unless we want to call viruses alive too. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/76648194 <Shill tactics listed!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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