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Topic	People say TLJ was a betrayal of Luke's character
CyricZ 05/30/18 11:48:06 AM #47:	Distant_Rainbow posted... Also, Luke 'sensed' Kylo's heart was already turned to evil? So he just goes and gets his lightsaber to kill him? Gee, I wonder what happened the last time he 'sensed' something and went against advice/common sense to blindly charge in without thinking further, eh? I dunno, loss of an arm and almost getting everybody killed, maybe? (Sure, R2 was the hero that got them out. No thanks to Luke though.) So you're trying to equate a momentary slip in judgment that lasted the barest of seconds with a decision to abandon his training that persisted for hours and had two people yelling "stop you idiot" the entire time? Distant_Rainbow posted... Also, that account is directly contradicted by Kylo's own, and don't tell me that the words of some hermit who's been mulling over what he'd done years ago are any more convincing than a guy who's been nursing a rage through those same years over the fact his own uncle tried to kill him for no reason whatsoever. What, is Luke's account more trustworthy and freer from self-justification just because you hear his side of the story later? Damn, someone's got a Kylo boner. I'm sure Kylo's account is true, from a certain point of view (his own). You're the one who took the two scenarios and decided which one you wanted to believe, and that's your choice. I'll trust the word of someone trying to act far more human and not operating on delusions of grandeur. Furthermore, the film as presented tells you that Luke's account is the "most true". It's how these kinds of narrative devices work. X tells the story one way. Y tells the story another. Then we see "what really happened". The thing about this one is that it's still X describing that third account, so you have a point that Luke could be further lying and changing his story to accommodate that Rey knows Kylo's perspective, but I honestly think for a person to go that way, you'd have to decide that you hate Luke unconditionally and have decided he's not worth your trust. And that sounds a bit biased to me. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:902245453] in People say... [t:76657809]...</cite> <quote><cite>Distant_Rainbow posted...</cite> <quote>Also, Luke 'sensed' Kylo's heart was already turned to evil? So he just goes and gets his lightsaber to kill him? Gee, I wonder what happened the last time he 'sensed' something and went against advice/common sense to blindly charge in without thinking further, eh? I dunno, loss of an arm and almost getting everybody killed, maybe? (Sure, R2 was the hero that got them out. No thanks to Luke though.)</quote> So you're trying to equate a momentary slip in judgment that lasted the barest of seconds with a decision to abandon his training that persisted for hours and had two people yelling "stop you idiot" the entire time? <cite>Distant_Rainbow posted...</cite> <quote>Also, that account is directly contradicted by Kylo's own, and don't tell me that the words of some hermit who's been mulling over what he'd done years ago are any more convincing than a guy who's been nursing a rage through those same years over the fact his own uncle tried to kill him for no reason whatsoever. What, is Luke's account more trustworthy and freer from self-justification just because you hear his side of the story later?</quote> Damn, someone's got a Kylo boner. I'm sure Kylo's account is true, from a certain point of view (his own). You're the one who took the two scenarios and decided which one you wanted to believe, and that's your choice. I'll trust the word of someone trying to act far more human and not operating on delusions of grandeur. Furthermore, the film as presented tells you that Luke's account is the "most true". It's how these kinds of narrative devices work. X tells the story one way. Y tells the story another. Then we see "what really happened". The thing about this one is that it's still X describing that third account, so you have a point that Luke could be further lying and changing his story to accommodate that Rey knows Kylo's perspective, but I honestly think for a person to go that way, you'd have to decide that you hate Luke unconditionally and have decided he's not worth your trust. And that sounds a bit biased to me. --- CyricZ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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