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Topic	Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 15: Ode to the Fallen(Heroes)
KamikazePotato 02/23/18 5:27:21 PM #3:	barreldragon88 posted... Still don't see why Grima's art is so bad And KamikazePotato, what matchups would actually matter for a non -Spd VL Ike? I don't see how you would not want -Spd on him. You face a lot of dragons in arena, many that have Speed in the mid-30s range. A lot of them end up doubling Ike thanks to his -Spd bane. And in general there's more units you would think that don't have really high or really low speed. People in the current meta are kind of hung up on units with extreme stats but in practice most units you fight won't have either 18 Speed or 50 Speed, they'll be somewhere in the middle. Ike is an enemy phase unit, but he's not a pure tank - his defensive stats are good but not amazing. His niche is to live through the initial blows and then heal up with Radiant Aether. Because Radiant Aether automatically procs as long as he has Quick Riposte, every point of Spd he can get to avoid being doubled is valuable (I think his ideal Boon is actually supposed to be Spd). I disagree with a lot of the boon/banes people like, actually. Especially -HP. People really like -HP even though HP is a better stat than Def or Res. I also disagree with people's assessment of red swords in general. People are still stuck in the mindset of 'lol Reinhardt will kill them anyway' when everyone and their mother has at least one Reinhardt check on their team, and the new powerhouses are dragons, all of which (Nowi excluded) are best dealt with red sword users, especially the Falchion guys. It's a green meta. Get you some good red swords to deal with it. Also waiting on people to realize that Lon'qu became S Tier as soon as Refined Slaying Edge became a thing. Just because someone isn't Ayra doesn't mean they aren't really good. ALSO not sure why people are saying that Valentine Hector powercreeped the original when Vanilla Hector is the only unit in the game capable of attacking twice with Wary Fighter in play, which is an extremely strong niche and puts him on even terms with Valentine Hector who is strong but doesn't do anything special. Also I'm biased but Felicia is absolutely disgusting now that they gave her the plate, she needs to move up the tier lists. Rambling over. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:896644023] in Fire Emble... [t:76350420]...</cite> <quote><cite>barreldragon88 posted...</cite> <quote>Still don't see why Grima's art is so bad And KamikazePotato, what matchups would actually matter for a non -Spd VL Ike? I don't see how you would not want -Spd on him.</quote> You face a lot of dragons in arena, many that have Speed in the mid-30s range. A lot of them end up doubling Ike thanks to his -Spd bane. And in general there's more units you would think that don't have really high or really low speed. People in the current meta are kind of hung up on units with extreme stats but in practice most units you fight won't have either 18 Speed or 50 Speed, they'll be somewhere in the middle. Ike is an enemy phase unit, but he's not a pure tank - his defensive stats are good but not amazing. His niche is to live through the initial blows and then heal up with Radiant Aether. Because Radiant Aether automatically procs as long as he has Quick Riposte, every point of Spd he can get to avoid being doubled is valuable (I think his ideal Boon is actually supposed to be Spd). I disagree with a lot of the boon/banes people like, actually. Especially -HP. People really like -HP even though HP is a better stat than Def or Res. I also disagree with people's assessment of red swords in general. People are still stuck in the mindset of 'lol Reinhardt will kill them anyway' when everyone and their mother has at least one Reinhardt check on their team, and the new powerhouses are dragons, all of which (Nowi excluded) are best dealt with red sword users, especially the Falchion guys. It's a green meta. Get you some good red swords to deal with it. Also waiting on people to realize that Lon'qu became S Tier as soon as Refined Slaying Edge became a thing. Just because someone isn't Ayra doesn't mean they aren't really good. ALSO not sure why people are saying that Valentine Hector powercreeped the original when Vanilla Hector is the only unit in the game capable of attacking twice with Wary Fighter in play, which is an extremely strong niche and puts him on even terms with Valentine Hector who is strong but doesn't do anything special. Also I'm biased but Felicia is absolutely disgusting now that they gave her the plate, she needs to move up the tier lists. Rambling over. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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