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Topic	Noted intellectual heavyweight Jordan Peterson argues with a bot on Twitter
Romes187 02/16/18 5:38:35 PM #94:	Balrog0 posted... the problem with him is that he doesn't make cogent arguments that are easily refutable, he makes scientific claims when it suits him and then slips into analogies that aren't meant to be taken literally in the same sentence as @COVxy has pointed out, for instance, his idea that we can learn things about hierarchy and such from lobster physiology is basically not true in any scientific sense whatsoever, but he and his followers don't actually care about that from what I can tell. The overall message he is trying to present is more meaningful to he and they than the factual accuracy of his supporting statements. He uses particular pieces of scientific information, but he does not employ them in a scientific way. His thinking has more in common with Joseph Campbell style mysticism (which is systematic, like Peterson is, but not at all scientific) than with philosophy or science. hmm it always goes back to the lobster thing with everyone. Let's say that he's completely wrong about that and he shouldn't even mention it. Ok...how about all of his other content? How about all of his cited work https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en Or how about his book maps of meaning, which goes into detail why he believes much of what he believes....something that none of his detractors ever seem to have read The problem with peterson is he'll make truth statements (we can get into a whole conversation about truth...for those who listened to the sam harris podcast) and people will deduce his premise Example: He'll say "Inequality is not the result of capitalism..it's the result of a pareto distribution which is seen in every single creative endeavor where competence determines outcome. Every single society has had the same distribution" Someone will respond "Well I guess that means you don't give a shit about poor people since "Thats just the way it is"" and his response is always something along the lines of "no this IS an actual problem...but we need to know what the fucking problem is caused by to fix it" its annoying but yolo <cite>Romes187 posted [p:896217574] in Noted inte... [t:76320153]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>the problem with him is that he doesn't make cogent arguments that are easily refutable, he makes scientific claims when it suits him and then slips into analogies that aren't meant to be taken literally in the same sentence as @COVxy has pointed out, for instance, his idea that we can learn things about hierarchy and such from lobster physiology is basically not true in any scientific sense whatsoever, but he and his followers don't actually care about that from what I can tell. The overall message he is trying to present is more meaningful to he and they than the factual accuracy of his supporting statements. He uses particular pieces of scientific information, but he does not employ them in a scientific way. His thinking has more in common with Joseph Campbell style mysticism (which is systematic, like Peterson is, but not at all scientific) than with philosophy or science.</quote> hmm it always goes back to the lobster thing with everyone. Let's say that he's completely wrong about that and he shouldn't even mention it. Ok...how about all of his other content? How about all of his cited work https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en Or how about his book maps of meaning, which goes into detail why he believes much of what he believes....something that none of his detractors ever seem to have read The problem with peterson is he'll make truth statements (we can get into a whole conversation about truth...for those who listened to the sam harris podcast) and people will deduce his premise Example: He'll say "Inequality is not the result of capitalism..it's the result of a pareto distribution which is seen in every single creative endeavor where competence determines outcome. Every single society has had the same distribution" Someone will respond "Well I guess that means you don't give a shit about poor people since "Thats just the way it is"" and his response is always something along the lines of "no this IS an actual problem...but we need to know what the fucking problem is caused by to fix it" its annoying but yolo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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