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Topic	i'm very liberal but lately, more and more, i have been against...
Hinakuluiau 02/08/18 11:41:56 AM #87:	KingCrabCake posted... @Hinakuluiau its crazy how comfortable you are with taking shit that is not yours Look, I'm a gay man with a boyfriend with both of us working in STEM fields, I don't need these things. I have healthcare, education, etc. and have plenty of money left over despite living in a major city. I believe that it's better for society to give out benefits to all instead of individuals getting them. We all benefited from people getting a free education until they're 18, we benefit from roads, we benefit from police, etc. I'm just advocating we go further. Other countries manage to pull it off and they don't have this mentality like Americans do. It's not even stealing because everyone gets benefits. Uncle Choad posted... So they will obviously be collecting a lot more than they need just to pay people $1,000 a month. Which means people will pay even more. Sounds like a gigantic waste of even more money, which is what we're trying to fight. I imagine most of what you described is already handled. What kind of argument is that anyway? You might as well have no taxes because there's always going to be loss at different levels. averagejoel posted... proponents of UBI need to read this https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/universal-basic-income-is-a-neoliberal-plot-to-make-you-poorer/ This article is arguing that UBI is used as a cover for gutting the rest of the social safety net. Sure, it will replace some of the net (unemployment, possibly disability), but it could also be a legitimate effort at redistributing the wealth generated by automation. It can be a step in the right direction, we just need to guide it to fruition. I don't see any of it as mutually exclusive. We can have UBI and democratization of the means of production. It is indeed originally a right-wing plan, but he says it doesn't have to be. There is a lot of left wing support for a UBI in addition to expanded social services. There are many possible implementations of basic income. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:895700852] in i'm very l... [t:76296796]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@Hinakuluiau its crazy how comfortable you are with taking shit that is not yours</quote> Look, I'm a gay man with a boyfriend with both of us working in STEM fields, I don't need these things. I have healthcare, education, etc. and have plenty of money left over despite living in a major city. I believe that it's better for society to give out benefits to all instead of individuals getting them. We all benefited from people getting a free education until they're 18, we benefit from roads, we benefit from police, etc. I'm just advocating we go further. Other countries manage to pull it off and they don't have this mentality like Americans do. It's not even stealing because everyone gets benefits. <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>So they will obviously be collecting a lot more than they need just to pay people $1,000 a month. Which means people will pay even more. Sounds like a gigantic waste of even more money, which is what we're trying to fight.</quote> I imagine most of what you described is already handled. What kind of argument is that anyway? You might as well have no taxes because there's always going to be loss at different levels. <cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>proponents of UBI need to read this https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/universal-basic-income-is-a-neoliberal-plot-to-make-you-poorer/</quote> This article is arguing that UBI is used as a cover for gutting the rest of the social safety net. Sure, it will replace some of the net (unemployment, possibly disability), but it could also be a legitimate effort at redistributing the wealth generated by automation. It can be a step in the right direction, we just need to guide it to fruition. I don't see any of it as mutually exclusive. We can have UBI and democratization of the means of production. It is indeed originally a right-wing plan, but he says it doesn't have to be. There is a lot of left wing support for a UBI in addition to expanded social services. There are many possible implementations of basic income. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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