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Topici'm very liberal but lately, more and more, i have been against...
Hinakuluiau
02/08/18 11:10:57 AM
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Uncle Choad posted...
I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure a high school education is free for everyone in the USA.

I mean higher education.

Uncle Choad posted...
Do I get the free $12,000 a year too? What about rich people? It's a fact that many people are poor because they suck with money. That $1,000/mo will make no difference to many of them.

Everyone would get the UBI, yes.

And no, "sucking" with money isn't really a thing from research:
http://www.africafocus.org/docs10/pov1006.php

In "Just Give Money to the Poor: The Development Revolution from the South," Joseph Hanlon, Armando Barrientos and David Hulme look at the experience of recent cash transfer programs, in countries ranging from Mexico and Brazil to South Africa, Namibia, India, and Mongolia. The verdict: cash transfers work if they are both fair and assured. If poor people have even small amounts of regular ensured income, they are in general well-equipped to decide how to use it most productively. And the results not only alleviate immediate hardship, but also contribute to longer-term economic development and poverty reduction.

http://mondediplo.com/2013/05/04income
Dewalas team studied the effects of a minimum monthly income on 4,000 people in eight villages over 18 months. There were no conditions regarding wages, employment, caste, gender or age, and the recipients could use the money as they saw fit. Besides social security benefits, adults received 200 rupees ($3.65) a month, and mothers were given 100 rupees for each child. Four of the villages had had help from Sewa for some years, with the organisation of support groups, savings cooperatives (2), bank loans, training in financial management and support during visits to local officials. Twelve non-participant villages served as controls for comparative study. The initiative, modelled on an urban Sewa project in a district of Delhi, was Indias first applied research on unconditional income. The hypothesis was that direct financial payments would change behaviour and improve family living conditions, especially childrens nutrition and health.

Studies at the beginning, mid-point and end of the project confirmed that, in villages receiving payments, people spent more on eggs, meat and fish, and on healthcare. Childrens school marks improved in 68% of families, and the time they spent at school nearly tripled. Saving also tripled, and twice as many people were able to start a new business.


Uncle Choad posted...
I think you're "it's all about luck" claim is complete BS. None of those kids got "lucky" to land jobs where they work, especially because we graduated in 2010 in a terrible job market.

It's not that it's all about luck, it's that you can't say that successful people work any harder than unsuccessful people. People of all sorts work hard, many of which get shit pay.
At the same time there are people who are successful who don't work hard. I realize they're a minority, but the idea that working hard correlates to success doesn't really add up for me.
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