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Topic	Forbes: The Last Jedi collapsing at the box office
WafflehouseJK 12/22/17 5:11:38 PM #48:	s0nicfan posted... WafflehouseJK posted... s0nicfan posted... Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one. To each their own, but I heavily disagree. It personally feels to me more like people just didn't like the direction they took his character, which is totally and completely fine, but saying "it doesn't make sense." isn't accurate. They absolutely could have kept him positive and have him be the wise old master people wanted him to be, that also could have made sense. But so does him being cynical and defeatist 40 years later, as I explained in the post. It makes sense that a person in Luke's shoes could become cynical and defeatist. It doesn't make sense for LUKE to become that. Rian Johnson took no notes from Lucas, ignored Abrams' guidance, didn't give a shit about Hamill's input, and only has 3 movies under his belt. When your story explicitly ignores all the input from the original creators and actors and goes in the exact opposite direction, that's just not good writing. Again... Hamill has been Luke for 30 years and he "fundamentally disagrees with virtually everything you've decided about Luke". No-name amateur director Rian Johnson just made shit up and it shows. You can like those scenes all you want, but it betrays the character. Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions. I also get where Hamill is coming from, but again, that's still his personal opinion on where the character should go, and while Johnson definitely should have listened to what he had to say, at the end of the day it was still his decision. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:892702384] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one.</quote> To each their own, but I heavily disagree. It personally feels to me more like people just didn't like the direction they took his character, which is totally and completely fine, but saying "it doesn't make sense." isn't accurate. They absolutely could have kept him positive and have him be the wise old master people wanted him to be, that also could have made sense. But so does him being cynical and defeatist 40 years later, as I explained in the post.</quote> It makes sense that a person in Luke's shoes could become cynical and defeatist. It doesn't make sense for LUKE to become that. Rian Johnson took no notes from Lucas, ignored Abrams' guidance, didn't give a shit about Hamill's input, and only has 3 movies under his belt. When your story explicitly ignores all the input from the original creators and actors and goes in the exact opposite direction, that's just not good writing. Again... Hamill has been Luke for 30 years and he "fundamentally disagrees with virtually everything you've decided about Luke". No-name amateur director Rian Johnson just made shit up and it shows. You can like those scenes all you want, but it betrays the character.</quote> Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions. I also get where Hamill is coming from, but again, that's still his personal opinion on where the character should go, and while Johnson definitely should have listened to what he had to say, at the end of the day it was still his decision. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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