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MedeaLysistrata posted...

hmm

i agree that language shouldn't be absolutely forced to change over night. but there has to be a group of people advocating a change in language if it's going to happen at all. people don't randomly decide to change things one day, there's always a group of people behind it.

i'm more interested in talking about how intersectionality has become a category equivalent to society or economy in terms of concepts we use to organize our world

I wouldn't say there's a group of people behind it either. In fact I'd say the opposite. If you need to promote the change, then its unneeded. Just begin using the language, if it catches on, then it was necessary. If it doesn't, then obviously people found no use for it.

And the issue with trying to categorize these, I guess I'll call them gender distributions, is that I don't see anyway to categorize them in any meaningful way that again, doesn't just continually divide down to the individual. I mean really, the absolute most I can see working is a something along the lines of Masculine male, feminine male, and something like a neutral male, and then the same for females. People already kinda use these, like saying "manly man", but even those distinctions aren't entirely necessary and are more used to add flavor than anything else. I mean people argue against the binary genders because they don't want to be put in a box, but making even further divisions in those genders just puts you in a smaller box lol. Being under the label "male" gives you so much freedom in what that means, and I think thats best anyways since people's "label" can really change with their disposition or just how they're feeling that day. So what use would it even be to make a distinction like that that changes with the wind?

Look man I'm not saying I'm right, I've just had this discussion a bunch and never run into someone who's explained a logical or rational reason to think any differently. Its why I don't really agree with the color analogy you used earlier, there's a use for labeling "mauve" as something other than "purple", but genders aren't colors, and they're not used in the same way either, in fact I'd say their differences support the notion that there's no use for any further division in gender labels.

If you've got some knock out point, I'd love to hear it. I'm legit open to other points of view, I really just haven't heard any that don't always resort back to "But what about how people feel?" which just isn't a good argument to me.
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