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Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

@Asherlee10 posted...

As we have already been over this, there is no concrete consensus in the scientific community about the moment human life sparks

That has not been a discussion. It has been you denying proven scientific fact. "The life of a human being begins at conception" is a 100% scientifically accurate statement.

Don't let yourself remain ignorant on this. I implore you to educate yourself.

Personhood and viability are separate issues, but the beginning of human life is scientifically not up for debate. It begins at conception.

@Asherlee10 posted...

I understand that is when you think human life sparks. Again there is not a scientific consensus on this, I'm sorry to tell you that.

Again, I'm sorry to tell you that you're misinformed. Educate yourself. I'll provide links below to help you out.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin/

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

Vindris, we have discussed this at length already. I have no doubt that you can provide articles that back up when you think human life and personhood should begin. I can do the same for my stance. We can go 1-for-1 in sources until the cows come home.

That does not change the fact that there is no scientific consensus on the matter. If there was, there would no longer be an abortion debate and the laws would be crystal clear. That is, unfortunately, not the case.

I'm also not sure how much more I clearly I can convey that to you.

You cannot provide me with any scientific evidence that human life does not begin at conception. But I encourage you to try.

And let me reiterate, the beginning of human life (conception), and personhood are two separate things.

Abortion laws are not based on when human life begins (at least not anymore). These days, abortion laws are kept intact because of ideas like "personhood", which we've gone into in this thread.

But I'm not talking about personhood. I'm simply talking about when a human life begins. And that concept is fully understood and accepted by the scientific community. Human life begins at conception. That is 100% scientific fact.

Here's a good read for you:
https://rewire.news/article/2012/11/04/life-begins-at-conception-thats-not-point-0/

That's not a view I agree with, but it explains why someone like you (a pro-choicer) should not be arguing that life doesn't begin at conception (because science proves that human life begins at conception). We, as a society, are past this debate. Maybe that's something you didn't realize, but I hope you can accept it.
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