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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

I would like to counter with a couple of points. If we are going to get bogged down into particulars, technically no one has a legal claim to their own land. International recognition is a convenient lie created after World War II where basically the world decided that mankind had seen enough imperialism. So its like that famous line in Kingdom of Heaven. No one has claim, all have claim.

That's true of any law. But while the law isn't always enforced, when legal action is taken against someone it's in line with the law more often than not. That "convenient lie" is convenient indeed as well. It controls the narrative, greatly reduces conflict. Scares countries into doing jank stuff like regime change instead of outright trying to annex other countries into themselves like they used to. This "Convienient lie" has real power, even if only because we give it that power ourselves.

I would also like to point out that international law only exists when the P5 of the UN Security Council wants it to. There are literally hundreds of examples of situations where if international law were enforced consistently by the UN without a respect to national sovereignty that leaders of major countries would be prosecuted by the ICJ for war crimes, including every US President since the formation of the UN.

If Israel came up to the UN and said "This Palestine business is a mess. Please arbitrate what Israel's borders are so we can settle the issue. We don't care what the Arabs do with their land or how many states they carve out of it." The UN would oblige. Palestine's approval doesn't even matter. The simple truth is, Israel wants this conflict to continue, because they're likely to lose land if they ever go that route.

So I still think its reeks of hypocrisy that any of the P5 think they are in any position to impose a peace deal on anyone. The fact that Hamas is leaning on Russia and China for support while Israel is hiding behind the US is proof of that.

If the P5 worked together the issue would be solved even without Israel's cooperation, but that's no solution because you can't magically make the P5 work together for world peace and I can't bring myself to blame them. Israel on the other hand bears full responsibility for their refusal to seek arbitration. The Palestinians aren't in any position to do so, and aren't currently occupying any territory that they'd need to cede if an arbitration did happen regardless.