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Gladius_ posted...

I mean, one of the leaders of their movement is an international sex trafficker who himself has no issue getting access to or harming women.

Andrew Tate has no official association with incels and and most self-identified incels don't even like him. The incel community started on the forum "Pick-Up Artist Hate"; they hated seduction coaches for scamming lonely men (believing instead that their situation was hopeless), and Tate's the textbook example of a guy scamming lonely men.

Tate promotes the "red pill," the notion that women love masculine assholes, while the incel community promotes the "black pill," the notion that women are shallow and only respond to looks. Tate considers incels whiny losers who need to improve themselves (by becoming macho douchebags), incels consider Tate a degenerate liar and his "success" an example of everything wrong with modern dating.

Yes a lot of Tate's supporters don't get laid and do hate women, but they don't consider themselves incels or agree with any incel community philosophies (beyond both having negative opinions of women/feminists/liberals), so any link is tenous.

This is the issue being highlighted, wildly different types of misogynists being sloppily conflated.