LogFAQs > #973187181

i was waiting for marth, but i'm not even sure if he's still around so i'm just gonna post my thoughts before i head to bed.

i actually think due to the context of the pressure, that if we're pushing to hammer someone early rather than at the end of day, then basically the end goal of that is to quickly push someone to have to claim and then decide if you want to hammer them or not. being that the early pressure is more "dangerous" than your standard d1 if it is leading to early claims, it's probably not great to put your own scum mates in that situation right away. so my answer is actually that if lopen were hypothetically scum, that probably means sultan and corrik are town based on that logic. at least that's how i would analyze the situation if it were me, but i was curious if peaf (because that was who i was directing the question to at the time) would just jump on with me and say yeah maybe they're scum, or if he would think the context of red's early hammer situation changed things or not.

i don't have a strong read on lopen at this time, so it's nothing more than a footnote for later, but i thought it might be an interesting question due to the nature of putting pressure on someone who may think they get hammered early.

one more thought on "why vote red?" in my eyes, there are three potential ways to 'test' red's claim.

1. we let red hammer someone. worst case scenario: red hammers a town mislynch, and gains a scum power anywhere of value from less than an extra kill, like ninja or godfather, or equivalent to a kill, like double vote or strongman. Possible -2 town outcome.
2. we vote someone other than red by majority at end of day, but don't let him hammer. worst case scenario: we mislynch town, and truthful town red dies because of his role. Possible -2 town outcome.
3. we lynch red. worst case scenario: red is town and nothing extra happens due to his role. Possible -1 town outcome.

obviously the upsides of those three scenarios include any where we lynch scum successfully and where red gets a town power. i'm not ignoring those upsides, but if i don't believe red's claim, scenario three seems like the "test" with the least amount of risk associated with it. i just don't want people to think in terms of "well we have to test it one way or the other," because lynching red is a viable option as well.